UK: Civilian ships must be armed against pirates

#2
Why are they taking the pirates prisoner??? Hang them or shoot them surely!?!
 

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#4
Merchant ships always used to have a small armoury on board. One that I was on had 4 rifles and 6 pistols. Ok, not much, but there wasn't such a problem with pirates then as there is now.
No real reason they can't have firearms, once outside three/six mile limit, then local firearms laws don't apply.

I stand ready to be advised otherwise though.
 
#5
Ulster_Rifleman said:
Is it not the job of the Royal Navy to protect the interests of British shipping on the high seas?

Or is there not enough cash..

Sad days
Indeedy! I believe that the RNR have been tasked with this kind of work in recent years.
 
#8
Are there any UK ships left to arm? When I fisrt went to sea in the early '70's there were over 2,000 probably not more than a couple of hundred now and a lot of those small coasters, offshore vessels and ferries
 
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old_fat_and_hairy said:
No real reason they can't have firearms, once outside three/six mile limit, then local firearms laws don't apply.
Whilst UK laws might no apply what about other country's territorial water that the ship passes through or ports they call into? Wouldn't local laws come into affect and stop you carrying stuff like that? I ask as I have absolutely no clue about the legalities of stuff like this.
 
#11
Good. Frankly if you're going to go into Pirate infested seas with nothing but a few condoms for the next port-of-call then you deserve to get whatever you have coming to you.
 

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Brick said:
old_fat_and_hairy said:
No real reason they can't have firearms, once outside three/six mile limit, then local firearms laws don't apply.
Whilst UK laws might no apply what about other country's territorial water that the ship passes through or ports they call into? Wouldn't local laws come into affect and stop you carrying stuff like that? I ask as I have absolutely no clue about the legalities of stuff like this.
I think the same laws as are used in bonded cargo apply. The arms were sealed in a cabinet until needed, or ship had left territorial waters, but it was 1961 and I've been asleep since then
 

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#13
Re:- RN and lack of anti piracy, I think it was Ancient Mariner that wrote an extremely good post in the thread about the Somali's that had "aquired" a few Ukraine surpluss T-72s. Basically it was down the the risk of pirates claiming asylum on us...
 

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Trans-sane said:
Re:- RN and lack of anti piracy, I think it was Ancient Mariner that wrote an extremely good post in the thread about the Somali's that had "aquired" a few Ukraine surpluss T-72s. Basically it was down the the risk of pirates claiming asylum on us...
Wouldn't have been a bad idea. Could have raised another armoured regiment. 'The 4th Regiment of Skinnies'
 
#15
As far as I recall, British registered merchant shipping is entitled to carry a small armoury.
Unless we have done away with that along with all other forms of common sense of late?

Perhaps its time for a few commercially operated Q-Ships. Would soon sort the problem out.
 
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old_fat_and_hairy said:
I think the same laws as are used in bonded cargo apply. The arms were sealed in a cabinet until needed, or ship had left territorial waters, but it was 1961 and I've been asleep since then
Ah right.

Well I still say that the government should just announce their withdrawel from the Declaration of Paris annex of the Treaty of Paris 1856 and re-legalise issuing Letters of Marque. Just like we PMCs on land let some people buy up a few patrol boats, load them up with weapons and then charge for an escort service through areas like the coast off Somalia or the Strait of Malacca.
 
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Ulster_Rifleman said:
Is it not the job of the Royal Navy to protect the interests of British shipping on the high seas?

Or is there not enough cash..

Sad days
The Royal Navy, bless em, couldn't protect the fishing fleet against Iceland let alone a bunch of skinies with AK 47s in the Persian Gulf!!!
 
#19
So what in fact stops you from acquiring a suitable vessel , upgunning it to the 9's , and offering your convoy escort for hire?

Do you require Governmental, Admiralty or UN approval? Or do you simply register the vessel in Panama, and get a kinetic refit in the Gulf somewhere?

I've thought about this for a long time, but can't seem to find specific legislation one way or the other. Can one of our Naval Neddies advise?
 

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