UK Civil war

#1
This has been floating around my head for sometime now and whether its because theres sod all else in there or my young mind it over active but i just wondered what the wise thought.

With the constant threat of home grown terrorists becoming ever more present, do any of you believe the threat of civil war over here are becoming increased.

I mean about 7 of the suspects in yesterdays raids were from within ten miles of my home and one was just around the corner. And their certainly not the first. This grips me to feck and i dont like the idea of these types living in this once green and pleasent land.

Just a thought. In my personal opinion its a matter of time before the situation flares up.
 
#2
careful, depends on what you mean by "these" types, but no, relax, there won't be a civil war any time soon, not enough of any minority believe enough in radicalism to take to the streets and kill their neighbours
 

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#3
I think you'll find that the geo-political positioning of the UK in the 21st Century is crux here. I put in another post that 60 years ago there was the 'Battle of Britian', contemporarily we have the 'Battle for Britain'. The guys who were caught yesterday win more battles for those who they claim as enemies than they do for Islam. Surely there is a battle underway, but it has not as yet left the intelligence war, is currently becoming strategic, and is moot whether it will ever become tactical in the manner you fear.
 
#4
No won't happen, don't worry about it, there is only a tiny minority of a minority. Its just that the media needs fodder and these days we all crave entertainment thrills and horror via the net and 24 hour rolling news - the new 'Penny Dreadfuls'. The minority of the minority provide that service.
 
#5
I beg to differ. i dont feel i can discuss my personal veiws in to much deapth on here for fear of wrongly being branded a racist. i went to a school with a large proportion of muslims. to see them cheering and joking about 9/11 made me want to kill the bas*ards! I think there is more than people believe!

look at the marches the held in london with placards odering the murder of those who insult allah. they were young british muslims, walking around in ski masks wearing webbing!

People wont stand for it forever!
 
#6
junior_RLC said:
I beg to differ. i dont feel i can discuss my personal veiws in to much deapth on here for fear of wrongly being branded a racist. i went to a school with a large proportion of muslims. to see them cheering and joking about 9/11 made me want to kill the bas*ards! I think there is more than people believe!

look at the marches the held in london with placards odering the murder of those who insult allah. they were young british muslims, walking around in ski masks wearing webbing!

People wont stand for it forever!
junior_RLC mate

As long as you express yourself clearly, accept well constructed critisism and avoid delibreate use of racist language - you will not be branded a racist, you should certainly not fee that the thought Police are watching you here.
 
#7
I'll just add that a lot of users on this site are grizzled old bastards who would be genuinly interested in what real young people think, not just us middleaged t*****s pretending to be 'down' with the kids. Your imput is welcome.
 
#8
With the current number of 'terrorists' in the UK estimated at around the 500 mark and the number of muslims at only 1.6 million, I think there's still a way to go before I need to dust off my pike and round-head helmet and set of for Naseby.
 
#9
I understand mate. I just feel that there is a severe problem within the british muslim community. Im Not saying that they are all radical extreamists and evil people but the major terrorist threat comes from this section of the population.

In my opininon to get rid of this problem, get rid of the roots! Harsh but growing up in these times is scary and i wont sit back and watch this country, my country, turn into israil or the lebanon. Im proud to be british and im not going to let some f*cked up c*#t ruin it!
 
#10
Funny you mention it.
My cousin was recently over here from Plymouth.
He was saying that the talk in pubs around there is exactly
the type of talk there was here in Northern Ireland 40 odd years
ago.
Tension growing between communities and all the while being
driven apart by Government policy, wether it be the lack of immigration
checks and the ever greater number of specialised schools for seperate
communities.
 
#11
In that case the best thing to do is not to play up to peoples fears.

Whenever you are too worried about the Muslim "threat" and want to "send them back home" (as I heard in a pub last year after 7/7), just consider that if the 7/7 bombers and the lasted threat were actually dissident republicans... would you then consider sending all Christians back to where we come from (eg Israel/Lebanon!)?

Basically get a grip and calm down.
 
#12
Some of the problem is we have the traditional British silent majority (within the minority if you will) that will condemn in private but will keep their mouths shut in public, after the demonstrations post 7/7 in London the majority of peace loving Muslim folk should have been on the streets the very next day letting us all know, but more importantly their minority know, that behaviour like that will not be tolerated.

Instead we get a succession of Community leaders giving us platitudes with the caveat that well you must understand what has driven our young men to become radicalised. Bollox get somebody with a bit of clout in the community to get out there and tell them that it is not on and encouage the community to weed out the radicals from there mosques.

The belief within the communities that not all Muslims are terrorists is absolutely correct but they must recognise that at the moment pretty much all terrorists are Muslim, and attempt to turn there young men away form that form of radicalised Islam "We" the wider population cannot do it for them that would only make the situation worse.

So come on the silent Muslim majority stand up and be counted and reclaim your religion from the nutters.
 
#13
(By the way, I was replying to Junior RLC and not to you Roadless.)
 
#14
This country is too backward to do anything to stem the flow of extremism.Too lazy and too busy down the pub getting rat a*sed to even bother or notice whats going on and even bother :? doing or saying anything because it falls on deaf ears anyway.
 
#16
Truthfully, I am more worried by the turncoats than the one who practiced the religion from birth.

Just like born again christians are dodgy, so are those that 'find' Islam.

Just my tuppence worth :D
 
#17
Our families are in far more danger from "nice" British drug dealers, drink drivers etc, etc.
 
#18
I think some people are deluding themselves.
We have an enemy within wether you like it or not.

I dont think it will come to civil war as we know it but if the Muslims dont make far more effort to sort their own out there will be a backlash.

I dont have a problem if they are deeply concerned about what is going on in the mid east, but i do with the way they are showing it.

I do not trust them and I think we all need to be very warey of them. I see the ball in their court not ours.
 
#19
This is actually an interesting question: despite the easy assumption that 'it could never happen here', in effect it already has: Northern Ireland was a civil war that has some slightly spooky parallels with some of the Islamic concerns in the UK:

A minority group, with a strong religious/ethnic identity, feels picked upon and discriminated against, and has a small proportion of nutters within the 'normal' mass...

Remember how the Army arrived to protect the Catholic population, and was greeted with tea and biccies by the grateful population? Subsequently, heavy handed response by the 'organs of state' to carefully engineered Ra actions, coupled with internal intimidation of the majority by the commited minority, radicalised the Catholic community. Oh, and funnily enough, a number of their religious community leaders were firebrand radicals who preached the rejection of the British state...

I do not believe we are anywhere near a full civil war - at the moment - but I do wonder about the possibility of more Bradford style civil disturbance: it seems difficult to believe that the geo-political situation is likely to encourage more dialogue at the moment. The other parallel with NI is the danger of faith schools, which allow the young to be indoctrinated... Hmmm: 30 odd years, and we've just begun to see the end in NI - any guesses on this issue?
 

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#20
Recce19 said:
Truthfully, I am more worried by the turncoats than the one who practiced the religion from birth.

Just like born again christians are dodgy, so are those that 'find' Islam.

Just my tuppence worth :D

Hmm interesting I'm betting that a similar conversation happened between Philippe le Bel and Clement V just before they ordered de Molay and de Charney's martyrdom :twisted:
 

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