UK aviation and BREXIT

only for mong's you said "International law doesn't exist as such. It is merely a set of agreements between states/nations and has no ramifications if one decides not to play by them."

Where 191 countries agree to work one way if 1 country decided to do something different the other 191 say fine but you can't play with us. There are santitions applied all the time but in this case they don't need to be. The prerequisite for flying in to some one's airspace is you meet a cdrtain set of requirements, if you don't you can't land. Or if you land you can't take off...

As the pilots don't want to be branded criminal who is going to fly these aircraft anyway?

Will the E.U. send the EUropeelers to arrest these ‘criminal’ pilots?

But please, carry on, your increasing state of hysteria is highly amusing.
 
As you say don't take notice of idiots on the internet. I didn't I was talking face to face with two senior CAA people. They do know what they are talking about. You clearly don't.

Thinking about it the CAA, FAA RAeS, BA, Virgin, Etc etc have all put it writing. There have been enough links to those documents in this thread. You on the other hand sound like a petulant teenager.

BTW yes the planes will fly after 29th MArch because the UK will be inthe ECJ (and EASA) for at least a decade after.

You mean like Ryanairs never ending liturgy of post Brexit we is leaving the UK doom while quietly stepping up its business in the UK?
 
only for mong's you said "International law doesn't exist as such. It is merely a set of agreements between states/nations and has no ramifications if one decides not to play by them."

Where 191 countries agree to work one way if 1 country decided to do something different the other 191 say fine but you can't play with us. There are santitions applied all the time but in this case they don't need to be. The prerequisite for flying in to some one's airspace is you meet a cdrtain set of requirements, if you don't you can't land. Or if you land you can't take off...

As the pilots don't want to be branded criminal who is going to fly these aircraft anyway?
So, what LAW will be broken? You do know the difference between agreements, conventions, treaties and laws, don't you? How will it be enforced?
 
Oh no, poor KLM!

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Stupid should hurt.
 
Quick question. We leave the EU. The EU says that our CAA issued, on behalf of the EU, certification is no longer valid and no CAA licenced aircraft or pilots can fly.

Therefore no EU authorised certification is valid in the UK..........

Which is worse. No UK airlines or pilots can fly or no EU airlines or pilots can fly into UK controlled airspace ?
It's nothing to do with the EU. This has been explained many times.
 
So, what LAW will be broken? You do know the difference between agreements, conventions, treaties and laws, don't you? How will it be enforced?

All the air safety laws. You will have unlicensed and uninsured aircraft. No one is going to let them land (outside of an emergency) At which point as the pilots are unlicensed and the aircraft have no valid airworthiness certificates and none of the requirments of the ticket holders will be valid they won't be able to take off again......

Say you drive a car with no valid driving license, insurance or MOT in to another country. You will get stopped and the car impounded. It's similar with airlines but far stricter. As all 192 countries of the world play to the same rules and the UK has no leverage in this who are you going to carry on flying to?

Bearing in mind no one inthe UK is going to sign anything off to fly out inthe first place.
And no one will fly in either. The US FAA has stated this as has EASA. As the FAA and EASA have bilateral agreements with most of the rest of the world (and the US and EU are the worlds 1st and 2nd economies) who do you think the rest of thw world wil work with?
 
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All the air safety laws. You will have unlicensed and uninsured aircraft. No one is going to let them land (outside of an emergency) At which point as the pilots are unlicensed and the aircraft have on valid airworthiness certificates and none of the requirments of the ticket holders will be valid they won't be able to take off again......

Say you drive a car with no valid driving license, insurance or MOT in to another country. You will get stopped and the car impounded. It's similar with airlines but fat stricter. As all 192 countries of he world play to the same rules and the UK has no leverage in this who are you going to cary on flying?

Bearing in mind no one inthe UK is going to sign anything off to fly out inthe first place.
So, nothing to do with "International law" then....

Out of curiosity, how is the rest of the world going to transit around the black hole in aviation control and I'm sure that all those companies, will ensure that all their ac are flown out and stabled outside of the UK before the shop closes .... That's if they have enough aircrew, flightpaths and if there is enough berthing space.
 
So, nothing to do with "International law" then....
You really are dense.

Out of curiosity, how is the rest of the world going to transit around the black hole in aviation control and I'm sure that all those companies, will ensure that all their ac are flown out and stabled outside of the UK before the shop closes .... That's if they have enough aircrew, flightpaths and if there is enough berthing space.
Now that is a good point. That said there majority of the aircraft are inthe air not on the ground. However the problem was largely solved 19 years ago on the contingencies for the Y2K problem (and the 2038 problem that they are already working on) So it wil be a pain but it can be done. BTW the US FAA has sorted out a system for servicing US airlines but this is by completley giving up the UK Aviation industry to full controls by the US FAA whilst the US airlines swap to Boeing. This deal excludes BA and Virgin.

As far as several airports are concerned it is Christmas: Shannon, Dublin, Shipol, Chales De Gaul, Frankfurt etc. as they will pick up the routing that will no longer go through Heathrow. So Ireland, France, Germany and Netherlands are up for playing hardball on this anyway (can you blame them? We would do it in their position)

However as the amount of damaged it would cause the UK would stop the UK dead and the UK would be blamed for the damage it will cause to other countries in this respect it simpley isn't worth it for the UK. IT will certainly put a damper on any trade deals. And no one is going to accept the CAA licenses if the US and EU says they are not valid. There isn't a country in the world that does significantly more trade with the UK that it does the US and EU combined.

This is why the UK has said a "10 year transition" from the ECJ ie the long grass and it is some one else's problem.
 
You really are dense.



Now that is a good point. That said there majority of the aircraft are inthe air not on the ground. However the problem was largely solved 19 years ago on the contingencies for the Y2K problem (and the 2038 problem that they are already working on) So it wil be a pain but it can be done. BTW the US FAA has sorted out a system for servicing US airlines but this is by completley giving up the UK Aviation industry to full controls by the US FAA whilst the US airlines swap to Boeing. This deal excludes BA and Virgin.

As far as several airports are concerned it is Christmas: Shannon, Dublin, Shipol, Chales De Gaul, Frankfurt etc. as they will pick up the routing that will no longer go through Heathrow. So Ireland, France, Germany and Netherlands are up for playing hardball on this anyway (can you blame them? We would do it in their position)

However as the amount of damaged it would cause the UK would stop the UK dead and the UK would be blamed for the damage it will cause to other countries in this respect it simpley isn't worth it for the UK. IT will certainly put a damper on any trade deals. And no one is going to accept the CAA licenses if the US and EU says they are not valid. There isn't a country in the world that does significantly more trade with the UK that it does the US and EU combined.

This is why the UK has said a "10 year transition" from the ECJ ie the long grass and it is some one else's problem.

Yes but of course, Shannon, the centre ofthe universe!
And Dublin replacing Heathrow? Jeebus!
 
You really are dense.



Now that is a good point. That said there majority of the aircraft are inthe air not on the ground. However the problem was largely solved 19 years ago on the contingencies for the Y2K problem (and the 2038 problem that they are already working on) So it wil be a pain but it can be done. BTW the US FAA has sorted out a system for servicing US airlines but this is by completley giving up the UK Aviation industry to full controls by the US FAA whilst the US airlines swap to Boeing. This deal excludes BA and Virgin.

As far as several airports are concerned it is Christmas: Shannon, Dublin, Shipol, Chales De Gaul, Frankfurt etc. as they will pick up the routing that will no longer go through Heathrow. So Ireland, France, Germany and Netherlands are up for playing hardball on this anyway (can you blame them? We would do it in their position)

However as the amount of damaged it would cause the UK would stop the UK dead and the UK would be blamed for the damage it will cause to other countries in this respect it simpley isn't worth it for the UK. IT will certainly put a damper on any trade deals. And no one is going to accept the CAA licenses if the US and EU says they are not valid. There isn't a country in the world that does significantly more trade with the UK that it does the US and EU combined.

This is why the UK has said a "10 year transition" from the ECJ ie the long grass and it is some one else's problem.
Not dense, just know that what you are waffling on about, has nothing whatsoever to do with international law and everything to do with treaties etc.
These routes out of Dublin. As they will have to make big detours to avoid UK airspace a great many airports will have huge protests over the increase in flights and noise, it won't be as simple as you make it out to be - especially in Germany.

You still haven't explained where you're going to get all this aircrew from. Bearing in mind, that you have made a great many jobless.
 
All the air safety laws. You will have unlicensed and uninsured aircraft. No one is going to let them land (outside of an emergency) At which point as the pilots are unlicensed and the aircraft have no valid airworthiness certificates and none of the requirments of the ticket holders will be valid they won't be able to take off again......

Say you drive a car with no valid driving license, insurance or MOT in to another country. You will get stopped and the car impounded. It's similar with airlines but far stricter. As all 192 countries of the world play to the same rules and the UK has no leverage in this who are you going to carry on flying to?

Bearing in mind no one inthe UK is going to sign anything off to fly out inthe first place.
And no one will fly in either. The US FAA has stated this as has EASA. As the FAA and EASA have bilateral agreements with most of the rest of the world (and the US and EU are the worlds 1st and 2nd economies) who do you think the rest of thw world wil work with?

So everything falls over at Midnight on March 29 2019?
 
Dublin has one runway, it’s building a second that may be ready by 2021, but has very severe operating restrictions attached, less overall flights, no overnight operating etc.
Dublin won’t be picking up any UK traffic, it’s only going to be able to handle it’s existing traffic load.
 
Oh dear, the planes will still.fly even in the event of a hard Brexit according to the CAA.

Henny Penny, the sky isn’t going to fall.
 
You forgot Cork, that is the second-largest ahead of Shannon.
I thought Shannon had the longest runway? Wasn't it a designated space shuttle landing runway at some time?
And the new third (not second as @PhotEx seems to think) at Dublin airport is due by the end of 2021.
Cork also has two runways but one can only handle smaller aircraft.

Ah, yeah, just found it.
Cork airport runway one 2,133 metres, runway 2 is 1,310 metres
Shannon airport 3,199 metres
Dublin airport runway 1 is 2,637 metres, runway 2 is 2,072 metres. Third runway scheduled for the end of 2021 will be the north runway at 3,110 metres.
 
I thought Shannon had the longest runway? Wasn't it a designated space shuttle landing runway at some time?
And the new third (not second as @PhotEx seems to think) at Dublin airport is due by the end of 2021.
Cork also has two runways but one can only handle smaller aircraft.

Ah, yeah, just found it.
Cork airport runway one 2,133 metres, runway 2 is 1,310 metres
Shannon airport 3,199 metres
Dublin airport runway 1 is 2,637 metres, runway 2 is 2,072 metres. Third runway scheduled for the end of 2021 will be the north runway at 3,110 metres.

The other thing to remember is that there will be no fights to/from the UK. the number of people and flights that need to transfer plane to plan is a lot smaller this the number of filghts that will need to be accommodated at Schiopl, Charles de gaul, Frankfurt, Shannon, Dublin, Knock, Madrid etc a much smaller number.

Despite David Davis ratteling on fro several pages in the Sunday Mail * about closiong UK airspace there is a difference between the local low level airspace and the high level international air lanes. Whilst no one is going to be decending to land in the UK they can still over fly (Just as the overfly the Ukraine, Iran, Iraq etc. now.) Trying to close the high, over fly air lanes will piss off the worlds two largest economies. (USA and EU) not to mention others (Canada, Russia Ireland the Middle east states). It will also piss off all the member states of NATO....

Remind me who was the UK goingto get these wonderful post Brexit Trade deals with?

On top of that I see the Border Force is saying today to stand by for chaos on Brexit.

Just how is the UK going to trade with the rest of the world? Come to that the UK starts running out of food in under 10 days.
 
The other thing to remember is that there will be no fights to/from the UK. the number of people and flights that need to transfer plane to plan is a lot smaller this the number of filghts that will need to be accommodated at Schiopl, Charles de gaul, Frankfurt, Shannon, Dublin, Knock, Madrid etc a much smaller number.

Despite David Davis ratteling on fro several pages in the Sunday Mail * about closiong UK airspace there is a difference between the local low level airspace and the high level international air lanes. Whilst no one is going to be decending to land in the UK they can still over fly (Just as the overfly the Ukraine, Iran, Iraq etc. now.) Trying to close the high, over fly air lanes will piss off the worlds two largest economies. (USA and EU) not to mention others (Canada, Russia Ireland the Middle east states). It will also piss off all the member states of NATO....

Remind me who was the UK goingto get these wonderful post Brexit Trade deals with?

On top of that I see the Border Force is saying today to stand by for chaos on Brexit.

Just how is the UK going to trade with the rest of the world? Come to that the UK starts running out of food in under 10 days.

Boss of the CAA says you talking utter poo and they will be able to carry on everything without issue even in the event of a hard Brexit.

Henny Penny, the sky isn’t going to fall, and all the planes will continues to fly, even without an EU deal.
 
Boss of the CAA says you talking utter poo and they will be able to carry on everything without issue even in the event of a hard Brexit.

Henny Penny, the sky isn’t going to fall, and all the planes will continues to fly, even without an EU deal.

You have a verifiable link to that?
 

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