UK aviation and BREXIT

It's alright.

The backpedaling brexiteers will be along shortly to assert that they knew this would happen and they are perfectly happy being subordinate to the ECJ.

Shame we'll now be a rule taker.

Taking back control means giving away control

Subordinate to the ECJ
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That’s not what the statement says, is it.
 
Subordinate to the ECJ
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That’s not what the statement says, is it.
“7.In practice, ECJ judgements have not been an issue for the aerospace sector. In her Mansion House speech on 2nd March 2018, the Prime Minister acknowledged that “the decisions of the ECJ will continue to affect us” after Brexit and said that if “the UK should continue to participate in an EU agency the UK would have to respect the remit of the ECJ in that regard.” This is preferable to the alternative of securing an escape from ECJ jurisdiction at the cost of influence in EASA. The Committee welcomes the Government’s pragmatic approach, which is especially suitable for the aerospace sector and regarding ECJ jurisdiction over EASA.”

The impact of Brexit on the aerospace sector - Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy Committee - House of Commons
 
“...7.In practice, ECJ judgements have not been an issue for the aerospace sector. In her Mansion House speech on 2nd March 2018, the Prime Minister acknowledged that “the decisions of the ECJ will continue to affect us” after Brexit and said that if “the UK should continue to participate in an EU agency the UK would have to respect the remit of the ECJ in that regard.”84 This is preferable to the alternative of securing an escape from ECJ jurisdiction at the cost of influence in EASA. The Committee welcomes the Government’s pragmatic approach, which is especially suitable for the aerospace sector and regarding ECJ jurisdiction over EASA. (Paragraph 36)...’

Respect the remit, aka, the UK Supreme Court can be our court of final arbitration and in its rulings is ‘minded’ to consider and respect the ECJs opinion when ruling on such matters.

Perfectly normal legal situation, and a ‘solution’ that meets all the red lines, the various regulators already ‘resoect’ The remit of the others, that’s been out there since day one despite the hysterical frothing from the head of the CAA who sees how cushy number ending.
 
All the Brexit loons have been telling me I have been talking BS when I said it was 5-10 years of no flights if the UK leaves EASA/ECJ.

The only other way we would get flights inthe UK would be to hand UK airspace over to the FAA/USA and stop BA & Virgin operating inthe UK in favour of US airlines. For Brexit Loons on Arrse it seems handing over UK airspace to a forigen power, an act of Treason, is acceptable.
Look, it's perfectly OK to have less aviation regulation capability than North Korea, export aviation jobs en masse and pay more for less because ... anyone ?

Thing is, I don't see flights stopping for long, if at all. What will happen is a rush of people and jobs out of the country. The FAA have already pointed out that doing business with the US will involve registering separately with them and paying their hourly rates to jump through whatever hoops they deem necessary, without any way to influence what is deemed necessary, Individuals and organisations can only seek to register with EASA via a friendly member state as members of third party countries, but I'm not that familiar with any other implications. Still, it's rule taking without an input all the way.

And as to routes, again I see a deal. It will be between the EU and the US with the UK getting to shut up and take what it's given, but again not a disaster for a decade.

Of course what will be a disaster is the permanent loss in jobs and tax revenue as one of the UKs highest performing industries packs up and moves overseas, but something something something blue passports.

PS The other driver to export jobs will be supply chain disruption; hint, a supply chain is not what they tie stuff down on a lorry with ..
 
“7.In practice, ECJ judgements have not been an issue for the aerospace sector. In her Mansion House speech on 2nd March 2018, the Prime Minister acknowledged that “the decisions of the ECJ will continue to affect us” after Brexit and said that if “the UK should continue to participate in an EU agency the UK would have to respect the remit of the ECJ in that regard.” This is preferable to the alternative of securing an escape from ECJ jurisdiction at the cost of influence in EASA. The Committee welcomes the Government’s pragmatic approach, which is especially suitable for the aerospace sector and regarding ECJ jurisdiction over EASA.”

The impact of Brexit on the aerospace sector - Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy Committee - House of Commons

As all the Brexit Loons said (yes the Brexit Loons were right!) Business would find a way. Any Brexit you like as long as we keep the ECJ.... Which is happening,

The same wil happen fo rhe Single Market and the Customs Union. It's what UK PLC wants.
 
Do you really think there will be no aircraft taking off for European destinations.... That is going to go down well in Spain, Cyprus, Portugal, etc etc where the backbone of their economy relies upon tourism.
Three flights into Cyprus every day from UK all full...Spain flights every hour from UK... Feck sake , the season hasn't even started yet...they are going to let this happen ??? I think not
 
“...7.In practice, ECJ judgements have not been an issue for the aerospace sector. In her Mansion House speech on 2nd March 2018, the Prime Minister acknowledged that “the decisions of the ECJ will continue to affect us” after Brexit and said that if “the UK should continue to participate in an EU agency the UK would have to respect the remit of the ECJ in that regard.”84 This is preferable to the alternative of securing an escape from ECJ jurisdiction at the cost of influence in EASA. The Committee welcomes the Government’s pragmatic approach, which is especially suitable for the aerospace sector and regarding ECJ jurisdiction over EASA. (Paragraph 36)...’

Respect the remit, aka, the UK Supreme Court can be our court of final arbitration and in its rulings is ‘minded’ to consider and respect the ECJs opinion when ruling on such matters.

Perfectly normal legal situation, and a ‘solution’ that meets all the red lines, the various regulators already ‘resoect’ The remit of the others, that’s been out there since day one despite the hysterical frothing from the head of the CAA who sees how cushy number ending.
Wow. You really are stupid. ^^

Do you really think there will be no aircraft taking off for European destinations.... That is going to go down well in Spain, Cyprus, Portugal, etc etc where the backbone of their economy relies upon tourism.
Three flights into Cyprus every day from UK all full...Spain flights every hour from UK... Feck sake , the season hasn't even started yet...they are going to let this happen ??? I think not
No, of course it won’t happen. Because we shall remain in EASA.
 
Do you really think there will be no aircraft taking off for European destinations.... That is going to go down well in Spain, Cyprus, Portugal, etc etc where the backbone of their economy relies upon tourism.
Three flights into Cyprus every day from UK all full...Spain flights every hour from UK... Feck sake , the season hasn't even started yet...they are going to let this happen ??? I think not
It's uninformed attitudes like this that shows everything wrong with brexit.

Man down the pub knows better than the head of the CAA.
 
Do you really think there will be no aircraft taking off for European destinations....
Yes because no one can afford the costs involved..... Its a legal thing to do with safety regulations and insurance cover. Not something you can fudge. As you will note EVERYONE who knows ANYTHING about airspace regulation are saying that either we stay in EASA and accept the ECJ or flights in and out of UK airspace will stop at 23:00 on the 29th March 2019

NOTE the USA/FAA rescue plan is only for US Airlines and puts the UK in a far worse position than it is now (with no say in anything re airspace)
 
As said before, all predictions, everyone knows what is definitely going to happen.,they can all tell what is going to happen in the future

Probably not a lot of them have had their lottery numbers come up though
 
Man down the pub knows better than the head of the CAA.
It's all Project Fear... won't appen. They wil sort it out....... Ignore the experts they have a vested interest!

What ammuses me is all the Brexit Loons here keep saying the no flights is bollox and the CAA will run the UK airspace when it is the CAA who is leading the charge to say that is not possible. With logic like that from the Brexit Loons why should anyone take any of them seriously?

Becvause apparently tey all knew exactly what they are voting for...... even the mutually exclusive things and the things that are impossible.

Now they want "democracy" to support a blank cheque referendum two years ago but NOT for the people to have a vote on the actual costs... Talk about hypocritical. (delusional would be better bet and probably not competant to vote)
 
The only other way we would get flights inthe UK would be to hand UK airspace over to the FAA/USA and stop BA & Virgin operating inthe UK in favour of US airlines. For Brexit Loons on Arrse it seems handing over UK airspace to a forigen power, an act of Treason, is acceptable.
So it's treason to hand over airspace to a foreign power?

Is the EU British now then? Has treason been committed by handing airspace to the EU? Without consultation or voting in Parliament?

Wasn't treason abolished by Tony Blair's Government anyway?
 
So it's treason to hand over airspace to a foreign power?

Is the EU British now then? Has treason been committed by handing airspace to the EU? Without consultation or voting in Parliament?

Wasn't treason abolished by Tony Blair's Government anyway?
Hello Stupid.

The EASa is a pan European organisation (34 states) in which the UK has the major say and controlling influence.

We would be swapping that for controll by a single forigen power where the UK has zero say in anything and that is proposing a system that stops British airways and virgin operating from the UK. Also the FAA proposals woudl only assist US airlines to the detriment of the UK aircraft manufacturers. (say goodbye to Airbus, Bombardier and Thales)

Yepp look like treason to me.
 
Hello Stupid.

The EASa is a pan European organisation (34 states) in which the UK has the major say and controlling influence.

We would be swapping that for controll by a single forigen power where the UK has zero say in anything and that is proposing a system that stops British airways and virgin operating from the UK. Also the FAA proposals woudl only assist US airlines to the detriment of the UK aircraft manufacturers. (say goodbye to Airbus, Bombardier and Thales)

Yepp look like treason to me.
You really are one of the rudest people on this site by a country mile . . . and that is saying a lot. Is your real personality as obnoxious as the one you present on here?
 
You really are one of the rudest people on this site by a country mile . . . and that is saying a lot. Is your real personality as obnoxious as the one you present on here?
Only when dealing with idiots who don't understand basic reality and go out of their way to be stupid.

The Civil Airspace stuff was well known before the 2016 Referendum yet there are still people on here repeatedly making up fantacies and saying basic legal requirments and facts are wrong with no argument other than "they" will sort it out when all those involved have already said there is no other option.

Things like "do a simple replace EASA with CAA and we are sorted" and the CAA wil run the UK airspace. Though when you point out that the CAA have said this is impossible the CAA are apparently frothing idiots. As so often with the Brexit people here they hold mutually exclusive views at the same time.

The UK Airspace is not something you can fudge or mess about with lives depend on it. Apart from if the UK airspace is screwed up that will kill UK PLC . The tourist industry is of minor consiquence in all this.

The Brexit loons need to stop the jingoisum and come back to reality.
 
You really are one of the rudest people on this site by a country mile . . . and that is saying a lot. Is your real personality as obnoxious as the one you present on here?
Man down the pub logic that has led us to this damaging mess we are embroiled in deserves contempt.
 
Only when dealing with idiots who don't understand basic reality and go out of their way to be stupid.

The Civil Airspace stuff was well known before the 2016 Referendum yet there are still people on here repeatedly making up fantacies and saying basic legal requirments and facts are wrong with no argument other than "they" will sort it out when all those involved have already said there is no other option.

Things like "do a simple replace EASA with CAA and we are sorted" and the CAA wil run the UK airspace. Though when you point out that the CAA have said this is impossible the CAA are apparently frothing idiots. As so often with the Brexit people here they hold mutually exclusive views at the same time.

The UK Airspace is not something you can fudge or mess about with lives depend on it. Apart from if the UK airspace is screwed up that will kill UK PLC . The tourist industry is of minor consiquence in all this.

The Brexit loons need to stop the jingoisum and come back to reality.
Maybe you should take a break from posting on here.
 
Man down the pub logic that has led us to this damaging mess we are embroiled in deserves contempt.
Just because someone is in a different space to you with differing opinions and having drawn alternative conclusions does not make them worthy of yours (or anyone else's) contempt.
 
Just because someone is in a different space to you with differing opinions and having drawn alternative conclusions does not make them worthy of yours (or anyone else's) contempt.
Differing opinions are one thing but we are talking legal requirements and engineering.
Opinion does not come in to it much as the fantacist Brexit loons would like to believe .

Supiditity like "we can use the UK courts instead of the ECJ for Aviation" simpley shows they have no comprehensin of how any of it works. Especially when all 34 members of EASA want to keep the ECJ . BTW this includes anyone inthe UK who understands Civil Aviation.
 
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