I met this view on many an occasion, usually by old blokes in greatcoats with a wodge of medals, in villages deep in the hinterlands. And in Jamaica, too - never have I drunk so much Wray & Nephew White Lightnin', and pretended to know so much foot drill as in Negril on that beach.
As it certainly did in Tanzania. My father had spent his final decade there instructing their nascent trade unions, junior civil servants and university courses on the principles and methods of good industrial relations and various allied subjects. He despaired at the plans which were put into place toward the last days of the remaining British administrators, as did the more enlightened Africans; one of his civil service pupils was employed by me at my mine in Northern Tanzania thirty years later, and his views were decidedly unGuardianlike.tribalism would raise its ugly head and those at the top of the pecking order would immediately favour their tribal brethren and corruption/nepotism would become rife.
Same principal applies.Wrong country and wrong police force
I don't follow your pointSame principal applies.
Zambian police today questioned two Chinese managers over the shooting and wounding of 11 miners protesting over pay and conditions.
Global Witness has previously tied ZDI to diamond mining in eastern Zimbabwe through an indirect shareholding in a Chinese company. Mugabe said his government lost large sums to theft from that deposit, and Human Rights Watch in 2009 accused the military of shooting and killing 200 miners there.
Africa. Not for sissies.
It's a very apposite point. I conducted a full safety/security due diligence on a major diamond mine in Angola some years ago, after Global Witness, acting mainly on a report by Rafael Marques de Morais, accused the owners and security department of randomly killing garimpeiros:I don't follow your point
Comparing apples and oranges though isn't he? Your post is very interesting by the way.It's a very apposite point.
Not really. Powerful people in powerful positions tend to wave their powerful fists about when there's no moral background to their rise to power. Few British Prime Ministers have done that in my memory; Thatcher did it out of a sense of duty, but anyone else would have had their P45 handed to them fairly sharply; think Suez. Blair had to do it treacherously and in secret. None of which applies to the African Big Man, whichever country he's Biggest in.apples and oranges
I very much doubt that the British normally carried on in the way I've seen other governments/armies/police forces do, at any time in our history. One-offs (Amritsar...) had consequences for the perpetrators, and politically too. Nobody (including the Guardian) gives much of a toss about the odd hundred or thousand wiped out by the likes of Mugabe and his ilk, because it's wholly expected of them. In mining, fatal incidents in the UK, Europe and US tend to be remembered for centuries, and not just locally. In Africa, they're frequently quite forgotten very quickly.The fact that others do the same as we did does not make us right it just makes the others as wrong as we were. Which, I think you established by investigating the incident you describe thoroughly?
And therein lies your complete failure to understand human beings. They aren't grateful and they never will be. Empires always fall because the conquered eventually get to be able to get rid of the conquerors. China, which is in many ways an empire goes through cycles of strong dictatorial central government and then lapses into civil war as central control breaks down.Yes, Africa should. Small matters of security, medical care, education, law and order etc.
Quite possibly not, but that doesn't alter the fact that they still aren't wanted by the locals. I heard a Maori on TV once saying that since his country would have ended up in someones empire he was glad it was the British and not any of the others. The conversation moved on before he could suggest he might still want the pakeha out.I very much doubt that the British normally carried on in the way I've seen other governments/armies/police forces do, at any time in our history.
Now the guns are in the hands of the praetorians, the trappings of the West have been replaced with Chinese imports, and without 'European' input, the once-bountiful farmlands are dust.Your ancestors came and saw and conquered because they had better guns or shiner beads. Now they don't have better guns and their beads look a bit tawdry, they've been kicked out. As the Germans call it Realpolitik, but to avoid acknowledging your failure you blame someone else.
Ok, this is very much an "IF' thread.
If the colonial masters hadn't left tout suite in the 50s and 60s, and had a 'passing over' period of a few years, maybe Africa wouldn't be such a sh*t hole?
Just upping sticks and leaving behind an infrastructure, but few civil service, army officers, teachers, trained doctors etc was a bad idea.
And got worse when the new governors decided that anybody with an education was athreat. ie civil service, teachers, army officers, trained doctors.
Well he's happier than he would be if you were still there telling him what to do. It's good to see you understand, so many can't get their heads around the idea.Now the guns are in the hands of the praetorians, the trappings of the West have been replaced with Chinese imports, and without 'European' input, the once-bountiful farmlands are dust.
Still, the average Zimbabwean voter is happy.
Come the 60s and the push for independence - the plan was to increase self governance education and administration along Indian lines and then full Autonomy - then independence - Trouble is realistically they
Unfortunately it comes down to a single issue in Africa - starvation.Well he's happier than he would be if you were still there telling him what to do. It's good to see you understand, so many can't get their heads around the idea.
It will be the same in the UK after Brexit. The remoaners will go on and on about the good old days and blame whoever they want to blame rather than face the reality that the majority of the UK population don't want to be ruled by foreigners.
Now the guns are in the hands of the rich, the trappings of Europe have been replaced with US imports, and without EU subsidies, the once-bountiful farmlands are dust.
Still, the average British voter is happy.