UCAS Points Requirement

sup rec

LE
Book Reviewer
As of 01 Sep 2014 the UCAS points requirement will reduce from 240 back down to 180 (the same as before Apr 13).

The points must come from the applicant's best 3 subjects with a minimum of 2 from subjects at National Level 3 or National and international equivalents. General Studies is still not acceptable and it is the best 4 subjects for Scottish Highers. AS levels are also excluded from the points tally.

A first degree will no longer be accepted as an automatic waiver to UCAS attainment.

The GCSE requirement remains the same.
 

Cav123

Clanker
Yes, I heard they're struggling to recruit officers at the moment. I suspect this is due to Britain no longer being involved in an active war and therefore the career seems less exciting? Lucky for me though as I plan to be one.
 

Truimphant

Swinger
It just seems a bit pointless to me. A standard of fitness is required before entry to Sandhurst, so it follows that a standard of education isn't too much to ask.

I understand the point of a need to recruit officers but there are probably more effective ways of doing this.
 

carborundum

Clanker
There are those, such as people like me, who spent most of their time partying and being an ass during A levels and University. I've been lucky, I got a good job after leaving Uni with a 2.2 but I do not deserve it in the slightest, I want to join the Army and lead men to prove to myself I can achieve something and make something of myself and to also give something back to a nation (and my dear Mother) to who I feel like I've taken the piss out of. If I am not officer material I'm sure I'll be flagged at AOSB mainboard and God forbid I ever reach Sandhurst. Lack of good grades in most cases I'm sure is down to people being lazy and growing up much too late. That maturity and intellect will be tested at Sandhurst and if you're lacking it then I'm sure you'll be kicked out. The Army just wants to see if the morons who messed about with their education have grown up and may have something to offer. Anyway wasn't it not 180 points only a few years ago?
 

Truimphant

Swinger
I'm definitely in the same camp as you (being a uni dropout) but the 'minimum' fitness requirements don't seem to need lowering so I'm not sure why the education requirements aren't treated in the same way.

I completely understand that there will be people who could make fine officers who never did any A levels. But there are also probably many more people who are just as suited to the role who aren't applying because they aren't aware or never considered it. It can't be so hard to reach these people.
 
This is good news for old duffers like me (it changed whilst I was doing my part-time distance learning).

Appears another review upon criteria classification is calling.


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carborundum

Clanker
I'm definitely in the same camp as you (being a uni dropout) but the 'minimum' fitness requirements don't seem to need lowering so I'm not sure why the education requirements aren't treated in the same way.

I completely understand that there will be people who could make fine officers who never did any A levels. But there are also probably many more people who are just as suited to the role who aren't applying because they aren't aware or never considered it. It can't be so hard to reach these people.

No you're right, I think the Army is getting a lot of bad press about the manpower cuts and redundancies, that was my first question at my interview 'I'm not going to be out of a job a couple of years after training?' I was assured that they only are getting rid of the stale and the ones who want to leave and just not filling the spaces of those who have left. But I think a lot of people just don't realise the Army has a huge employee turnover and that it will always need to be a bottom fed organisation in terms of manpower. Perhaps the Army is just not getting this across strongly enough that they always need soldiers.

I've trawled through these forums and it looks like Officer recruitment is in constant fluctuation of low intakes some years and high intakes in others.
 

sup rec

LE
Book Reviewer
When the points went up in Apr 13 (pre RPP) it was envisioned that it would lead to about a 10% reduction in those suitable due to UCAS. Stats have shown (apparently) that it has resulted in a 20% drop so someone has decide that they will drop it back to 180 (but lose the automatic waiver that a degree would over ride the UCAS requirement).
 

cpunk

LE
Moderator
18 months ago when the 240 UCAS points tally was imposed, the army was in an ongoing fight in Afghanistan and we were flush with candidates who - for all the best reasons - wanted to go out there and prove themselves. Now we're leaving Afghan, we don't have that draw and, in combination with the RPP/Capita hiccup, numbers have dropped rather sharply and, as an organisation which has traditionally recruited high-quality people on the cheap, we were struggling. Being an army officer is much more about aptitude than educational attainment (which is not to say that education is unimportant but the difference between 3 D's and 3 C's at A2 is not that huge) and it was realised that we were cutting off our nose to spite our face.
 
Another possible reason the potential officer figures are falling could be because the system can't make up its bloody mind what they want!
That along with the end of Ops in Afghan, uncertainty and change in the Army 2020, and the possibility of further defence cuts after the 2015 GE, not to mention a more buoyant UK employment market.
So answer me please, do they (the powers that be) want graduates with their 2:1s, linguists, or good all rounders that can be moulded to the respective Regiment of Corps they eventually join?
 

cpunk

LE
Moderator
Another possible reason the potential officer figures are falling could be because the system can't make up its bloody mind what they want!
That along with the end of Ops in Afghan, uncertainty and change in the Army 2020, and the possibility of further defence cuts after the 2015 GE, not to mention a more buoyant UK employment market.
So answer me please, do they (the powers that be) want graduates with their 2:1s, linguists, or good all rounders that can be moulded to the respective Regiment of Corps they eventually join?

The standard is the same: the ability to pass AOSB Main Board and then the Commissioning Course. So basically the same old capable generalists, some of whom will have special talents that the army can develop and use in more specialised roles.
 
The standard is the same: the ability to pass AOSB Main Board and then the Commissioning Course. So basically the same old capable generalists, some of whom will have special talents that the army can develop and use in more specialised roles.
Thanks cpunk, could you please take over Officer recruitment! I wish the powers that be could communicated it in such a sysinct clear way.
Having gone through the SMC system in the late 70's it was relatively straight forward, but having seen the changes since my son was enmeshed in the process in 2012 has been utterly perplexing!
 
I don't have 180 UCAS points but will have a degree once I have finished my time at university. Will that rule me out of applying as an officer?
 

carborundum

Clanker
you can apply for an educational waiver, however I was told you need to get a 1st in your chosen subject to stand a good chance of getting one. My CSM at capita told me
 

carborundum

Clanker
Or take a year out and take an extra A level? Patience my friend you can still do AOSB Briefing if you are enrolled on an A level course
 
Maybe. I will be 24 when I finish university so not sure what to do. It's a few years off now anyway. I applied to the army in 2012 and was waiting for a date for Lichfield when the doctor told me I still had asthma from when I was a kid so waiting for that clear which is still two years away which is why I came to uni.
 

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