U.S. signals intention to pull out of Open Skies surveillance treaty

What do you think about intention of Washington to abandon the Open Skies Treaty?

  • Absolutely right decision

    Votes: 3 21.4%
  • Right but not sufficiently coordinated with NATO allies

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Maybe right but with some negative effects in the future

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • It is a doubtful decision

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • Wrong decision

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • Absolutely stupid self damaging step

    Votes: 4 28.6%
  • Don't know/Don't care

    Votes: 5 35.7%

  • Total voters
    14
Any treaty is first of all a TEXT of the treaty 'as is'. Those who follow any letter written in the text don't violate it.
If our American partners believe that Russia violates the treaty then they should quote the text and show what exactly is violated.
Why bother, your government will just tell more lies about it.
 
U.S. officials have long complained that Moscow was violating the Open Skies accord by not permitting flights over a city where it was believed Russia was deploying nuclear weapons that could reach Europe, as well as forbidding flights over major Russian military exercises. Satellites, the main source for gathering intelligence, are not affected by the treaty.

Russia restricted US overflights of Kaliningrad the Russian exclave in Europe’s northeast — to 310 miles in the territory and within a six-mile corridor of its border with Georgian conflict zones Abkhazia and South Ossetia. They also report that they have been denied access to military exercise overflights. Meanwhile, the US rarely if ever has impeded Russia from at least attempting to see what it wants.

In classified reports, the Pentagon and U.S. intelligence agencies have contended the Russians are also using flights over the United States to map out critical infrastructure that could be hit by cyberattacks.
Let's look how it began - I mean restriction of overflights. So let return to 2017
Russia plans to limit U.S. military reconnaissance flights over Russian territory under the Open Skies Treaty starting January 1 in response to limits on Russian flights over the United States recently announced by Washington
So Washington itself imposed limits and Russia acted in response. There was no one case when access to Russia airspace was denied. There were only some restriction and namely Washington imposed first own restrictions.
Under the new restrictions, Russia will "cancel night stays at three airfields with respect to flights involving the United States,"
There is no unconditional right to use any airfield for night stay in the Treaty. So Moscow limiting number of airfields for night stay is not violation it.

There is no demand in the treaty
 
with satellite technology, and doing it unseen, don't see the point in flying aircraft over, unless its to use closer listing/electronic surveillance
 
Why have an agreement when one side cheats?

Same can be said of the ‘deal’ that was struck with Iran.
The Russians are notorious cheaters.

Their folks that come over here to inspect the facilities, are more concerned about going shopping then anything else. Granted they don’t seem to like the pair of training silos out here.

The JCPOA was never ratified by the Senate, so Trump can kill it if he desires.
 
with satellite technology, and doing it unseen, don't see the point in flying aircraft over, unless its to use closer listing/electronic surveillance
opponents of the Open Skies Treaty argue that, over the past thirty years, commercial satellites have developed capabilities, such as camera resolution, similar to or better than the equipment carried on Open Skies aircraft. They assert that makes observation flights unnecessary and redundant.
critics express concern that the Russians use observation flights to gather information on U.S. infrastructure as well as military facilities and activities.
Critics seem to ignore the fact that, much like the United States, Russia operates imagery satellites whose capabilities are equal to or better than those permitted on Open Skies aircraft.
the United States conducts far more overflights of Russia and Belarus (the two are paired as a group of state parties) than vice-versa. According to the Department of State, during the first fifteen years of the treaty’s operation, the United States made 196 observation flights over Russia and Belarus while Russia/Belarus made just seventy-one flights over U.S. territory. Moreover, U.S. allies conducted five hundred other flights over Russia and Belarus.
Really for Russia the Open Skies Treaty is not so important because Moscow is able to gather similar information in unlimited and much simpler way.
At the same time
few countries possess the sophisticated space-based reconnaissance capabilities that the United States and Russia have. The treaty allows other states parties to conduct overflights and directly gather confidence-building data. U.S. allies value Open Skies; a number, including Germany, France and Britain, have urged Washington to remain within the treaty.
So in fact pres.Trump acts in Russian interests. Who could imagine?
 
with satellite technology, and doing it unseen, don't see the point in flying aircraft over, unless its to use closer listening/electronic surveillance
And you've largely answered your own question.
 
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So in fact pres.Trump acts in Russian interests. Who could imagine?
And perhaps the US’s by signalling to others that it is not going to remain bankrolling their defence needs.

A number of NATO’s various members have not been pulling their weight and perhaps need a gentle nudge.
 

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And you've largely answered your own question.
It‘s a buy one get one free :)

He answered his own question AND pointed out the obvious flaw in KGBs later post :)
 
And perhaps the US’s by signalling to others that it is not going to remain bankrolling their defence needs.

A number of NATO’s various members have not been pulling their weight and perhaps need a gentle nudge.
Or remain beholden to initiatives where the other party blatantly cheats. But hey maybe this will provide some incentive for the Russians when it comes to New Start?
 

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