U.S. envoy would like to see Russia as NATO member

Should NATO officially invite Russia?

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#1
http://en.rian.ru/world/20080609/109643345.html

The permanent U.S. representative to NATO said on Monday she would like to see Russia as a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

"Speaking as a mom and as a strategist and a lifetime student and friend of the Russian people, I would love to live in a world where Russia wanted to be a NATO member and Russia had met the very high standards that NATO sets for openness, democracy, reform, rule of law that new NATO members must meet," Victoria Nuland said in an interview with RIA Novosti and the Argumenty i Fakty weekly.

She stressed that she was expressing her personal opinion, adding that former Russian president Vladimir Putin had previously ruled out NATO membership for Russia.

She said she hoped Russia would eventually come to value NATO.
Such an invitation likely would be rejected by Kremlin (maybe in mild form but rejected). So I believe it would be profitable (from diplomatic, propagandistical points of view) for NATO and Washington formally invite Russia. Namely: you don't wish to join, so why do you against other countries to join?

Maybe this 'private opinion' is an attempt in this direction. And who knows maybe Russia would be a member of NATO in 20's and would be quite different country that time.

So why not to keep NATO's gates wide open for Russia?

"I do think, as President Bush said to President Putin and said to everybody in Bucharest during the NATO-Russia Council, we've got more work to do to help [people sitting at] Russian kitchen tables understand today's NATO," Nuland said.
You can laugh but just now I'm sitting in my kitchen.

On the issue of Ukraine and Georgia's membership, she said they were not ready to join NATO yet.

Ukraine and Georgia failed to secure membership of an action plan paving the way to accession to the bloc at a NATO summit in spring, but were told the decision would be reviewed in December.

"There is not a single NATO member who would say today that Ukraine and Georgia are ready to be NATO members," she said.
So Ukraine and Georgia are not ready to be NATO members but Russia is ready... Interesting.
 
#2
So, US got to the point it needs Russia to advance US interests around the world? Sounds like a nonsensical joke, to be honest... You sure your link can be believed?
 
#3
Waaahh!! If Russia joined NATO, what would be the point in having NATO in the first place?

What IS this world coming to?
 
#5
black--rider said:
Waaahh!! If Russia joined NATO, what would be the point in having NATO in the first place?
The point IS Strategic Interests, Russia allied with NATO paves the way for, shall we say, "Lesser Campaigns" to forge ahead without Russian interference. Long term goals would be to Strengthen the West against a China or India superpower developing.
 
#6
KGB_resident said:
http://en.rian.ru/world/20080609/109643345.html

So Ukraine and Georgia are not ready to be NATO members but Russia is ready... Interesting.
She didn't say that. She did say:

"I would love to live in a world where Russia wanted to be a NATO member and Russia had met the very high standards that NATO sets for openness, democracy, reform, rule of law that new NATO members must meet,"
You ain't there by a long way. However, I am in agreement with the sentiment. It would be good if Russia joined. Might get rid of the paranoic loons on both sides, forcing both to find the good in the other.
 
#7
Domovoy said:
So, US got to the point it needs Russia to advance US interests around the world? Sounds like a nonsensical joke, to be honest... You sure your link can be believed?
It is highly reliable source. RIAN is state-run Russian Infomational Agency Novosti (News).

In_the_cheapseats, you are right.
 
#8
in_the_cheapseats said:
However, I am in agreement with the sentiment. It would be good if Russia joined. Might get rid of the paranoic loons on both sides, forcing both to find the good in the other.
But it's not about "paranoic loons" (they are theatrics for public benefit), it's about a clash of interests. For as long as NATO remains a useful tool in the hands of US a mere thought of Russia joining the club doesn't make sense.
 
#9
Sergei,

On a serious note I can't even envision this at this time, perhaps a decade or so. We missed our window I think.

On a more serious note I am for it only if I am given command of at least a platoon of the Russian Army Women's Corp.

 
#10
A NATO with Russia in it has to be the geo-strategic endgame. A security block that encompassed the entire upper Northern Hemisphere and effectivly dispelled Russian paranoia about NATO intentions would pretty much end the major security concerns of the US/EU/CIS, China aside. It would also pave the way near-full nuclear disarmament, and open the door for a joint approach for solving a number of minor but festering issues like the final status of the break-away regions of Georgia.

Most likely not a good idea until a post-2015. however. Last act of an Obama Presidency?
 
#11
Domovoy said:
in_the_cheapseats said:
However, I am in agreement with the sentiment. It would be good if Russia joined. Might get rid of the paranoic loons on both sides, forcing both to find the good in the other.
But it's not about "paranoic loons" (they are theatrics for public benefit), it's about a clash of interests. For as long as NATO remains a useful tool in the hands of US a mere thought of Russia joining the club doesn't make sense.
Why should it not aspire to be more? Because it is a handy tool for but one of its members? Not good enough.

Status quo is not an option in the coming years and I don't see why this should be thrown as an idea for the future.
 
#12
Virgil said:
Sergei,

On a serious note I can't even envision this at this time, perhaps a decade or so. We missed our window I think.

On a more serious note I am for it only if I am given command of at least a platoon of the Russian Army Women's Corp.

I require at least a whole company. :D
If I don't get it then God help you all... :plotting:

On a serious note though I do feel that having Russia in NATO is not a good idea particularly because I believe we are long over due for a war with them and I dont trust the Kremlin even a little.

(Not to offend you Sergey...who is not KGB/FSB :wink: )
 
#13
in_the_cheapseats said:
Domovoy said:
in_the_cheapseats said:
However, I am in agreement with the sentiment. It would be good if Russia joined. Might get rid of the paranoic loons on both sides, forcing both to find the good in the other.
But it's not about "paranoic loons" (they are theatrics for public benefit), it's about a clash of interests. For as long as NATO remains a useful tool in the hands of US a mere thought of Russia joining the club doesn't make sense.
Why should it not aspire to be more? Because it is a handy tool for but one of its members? Not good enough.

Status quo is not an option in the coming years and I don't see why this should be thrown as an idea for the future.
And how do you picture it? Right now NATO is under US thumb. An example:
It is in US interests to make Kosovo "independent" and stick Camp Bondsteel next to a pipeline, but it's against Russia's interests -- Gordian Knot? What would NATO with Russia as its member do in such circumstances?

Could situation change in future? I would ask: could NATO survive the demise of US as a superpower and EU move to independence, complete with its own army?
 
#14
To my mind, NATO is a dinosaur long overdue for extinction. A strategic alliance between Europe, North America and Russia might not be such a bad thing, although it might force a Far-East/West or North South Polarisation along Cold War lines. It would be far better if such a thing were built from scratch, though.

And "the very high standards that NATO sets for openness, democracy, reform, rule of law that new NATO members must meet"? Physician, heal thyself.
 

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