U.S. drops nuclear bunker-buster plans

#1
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/10/25/bunker.buster.ap/index.html

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Bush administration has abandoned research into a nuclear "bunker-buster" warhead, deciding instead to pursue a similar device using conventional weaponry, a key Republican senator said Tuesday.

Sen. Pete Domenici of New Mexico said funding for the nuclear bunker-buster as part of the Energy Department's fiscal 2006 budget has been dropped at the department's request.

The nuclear bunker-buster had been the focus of intense debate in Congress, with opponents arguing that its development as a tactical nuclear weapon could add to nuclear proliferation.
What they should have argued against was putting this weapon in control of the current crop of "free-thinkers" in the administration.
 
#3
Darth_Doctrinus said:
Nuclear capabilities are s-o-o-o-o 1980s.

What you need is one of these.

At $27,000 a throw, it even makes sense to the Treasury! :D
Outstanding VFM! Works out at about £1/lb. Less that strawberries!

I guess someone in the brain trust has finally figured out that nuclear weapons aren't exactly conducive to a winning a guerilla war and winning hearts and minds after all. It ain't much, but for these folks it's a start.
 
#5
Those 'Bunker-Buster' Nukes are not so 'tactical' if your blast and fallout yield might create a million or so colateral casualties.


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Remember...Our BLU-82B...it's 'Daisy Cutter' not 'Daisy Chain'...


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#6
When I read that AP story, the word that came to mind was "disinformation." They might be going out of their way to create a (false) impression that they don't intend to use nuclear weapons to takeover Iran.

Regardless of what's been dropped from the budget, they've got a huge "black" budget we'll never see and with which they can buy their hearts' desire.
 
#8
That's the Grand Slam, up at Chattenden isn't it? So are you suggesting that the RAF Battle of Britain Memorial Flight Lancaster gets uprated to operational service, and BAE start knocking up 10 ton iron bombs?

OUTSTANDING!

Bagsy I get to be the rear gunner!
 
#9
Bravo_Bravo said:
Poofs.

THIS is a bomb....

and its BRITISH

Aha, the "L33 Mark 2 exploding human 150lb charge" - out of interest, what is the large concrete block next to him for? ;)

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#10
The plans were never serious, after initial research which showed that there is no way at present to get a charge through the earth the distances required. This is the same for Nuclear or Conventional weapons - same problem, except NW are more delicate. If you accelerate it, either by powering it or dropping it from high up, it still faces the problem of a solid object, no matter how hard, hitting concrete or rock - which is also pretty tough. No way on God's Eaarth (or in it) that this could penetrate far enough to contain more than a teensy NW burst.

If there has been disinformation, it has found a fine target among those daft enough to beleive that this thing is possible. Prime among these have been, of course, most of the anti-nuclear organisations, making fools of themselves again.
 
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#11
Themanwho said:
That's the Grand Slam, up at Chattenden isn't it? So are you suggesting that the RAF Battle of Britain Memorial Flight Lancaster gets uprated to operational service, and BAE start knocking up 10 ton iron bombs?

OUTSTANDING!

Bagsy I get to be the rear gunner!
The Vulcan could carry one of these babies. I'd pay good money to see a V drop one of these on Tora Bora from 60 Grand up - none of this poncing about with JDAMS! Christ, the thing would be at near enough Mach 2 when it hit, dropped from that hieght.

Even its smaller brother, Tallboy, made a mess of the 3rd Riech's finest concrete structures, pocket battleships etc
 
#12
This is what happened to the Bielefeld Viaduct when a Secial Delivery Package was delivered personally by the RAF...



Would have taken the edge off their day.
 
#13
And this is what even it's little brother can do...



Should this be in the "What I Want for Christmas" thread?
 
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#14
Mr_Mitty said:
And this is what even it's little brother can do...



Should this be in the "What I Want for Christmas" thread?
Remember these were dropped over optical sights - none of your new fangled radar/laser mularky. OK - they used a very special bombsight, but it was still one man looking through the cross hairs at the target. I think the Samur tunnel (pictured) was actually a night attack, aiming on target flares that were dropped by Leonard Cheshire - class.
 
#16
Sure was Foz. In the Bielefeld picture, all the rain-filled craters are the results of previous raids (I'm not going to pretend I know how many) that did naff all to the viaduct. One Grand Slam and hey presto, enough groundquake to take out the bridge.

Unfortunately, Jerry had had a fully-functioning camo'd loop in place for a few months by the time we blew the viaduct, so the actual disruption caused wasn't that bad. Should have used leaves, or something...
 
#17
fozzy said:
Themanwho said:
That's the Grand Slam, up at Chattenden isn't it? So are you suggesting that the RAF Battle of Britain Memorial Flight Lancaster gets uprated to operational service, and BAE start knocking up 10 ton iron bombs?

OUTSTANDING!

Bagsy I get to be the rear gunner!
The Vulcan could carry one of these babies. I'd pay good money to see a V drop one of these on Tora Bora from 60 Grand up - none of this poncing about with JDAMS! Christ, the thing would be at near enough Mach 2 when it hit, dropped from that hieght.

Even its smaller brother, Tallboy, made a mess of the 3rd Riech's finest concrete structures, pocket battleships etc
Haven't seen any reference to the one at Chattenden but did enjoy the story about the one at RAF Scampton...oops 8O

lancslad

Apparently when Lincolnshire County Council were widening the road past RAF Scampton's main gate in about 1958, the 'gate guards' there had to be moved to make way for the new carriageway. Scampton was the WWII home of 617 Sqn, and said "gate guards" were a Lancaster...and a Grand Slam bomb.

When they went to lift the Grand Slam, thought for years to just be an empty casing, with an RAF 8 Ton Coles Crane, it wouldn't budge. "Oh, it must be filled with concrete" they said. Then somebody had a horrible thought .... No!..... Couldn't be? ... Not after all these years out here open to the public to climb over and be photographed sitting astride! .... Could it? .... Then everyone raced off to get the Station ARMO. He carefully scraped off many layers of paint and gingerly unscrewed the base plate.

Yes, you guessed it, live 1944 explosive filling! The beast was very gently lifted onto an RAF 'Queen Mary' low loader, using a much larger civvy crane (I often wonder what, if anything, they told the crane driver), then driven slowly under massive police escort to the coastal experimental range at Shoeburyness. There it was rigged for demolition, and when it 'high ordered', it proved in no uncertain terms to anyone within a ten mile radius that the filling was still very much alive!

Exhaustive investigations then took place, but nobody could find the long-gone 1944, 1945 or 1946 records which might have shown how a live 22,000 lb bomb became a gate guard for nearly the next decade and a half. Some safety distance calculations were done, however, about the effect of a Grand Slam detonating at ground level in the open. Apart from the entire RAF Station, most of the northern part of the City of Lincoln, including Lincoln Cathedral, which dates back to 1250, would have been flattened.


Source: http://www.gunnies.pac.com.au/gallery/grand_slam.htm
 
#18
lancslad said:
fozzy said:
Themanwho said:
That's the Grand Slam, up at Chattenden isn't it? So are you suggesting that the RAF Battle of Britain Memorial Flight Lancaster gets uprated to operational service, and BAE start knocking up 10 ton iron bombs?

OUTSTANDING!

Bagsy I get to be the rear gunner!
The Vulcan could carry one of these babies. I'd pay good money to see a V drop one of these on Tora Bora from 60 Grand up - none of this poncing about with JDAMS! Christ, the thing would be at near enough Mach 2 when it hit, dropped from that hieght.

Even its smaller brother, Tallboy, made a mess of the 3rd Riech's finest concrete structures, pocket battleships etc
Haven't seen any reference to the one at Chattenden but did enjoy the story about the one at RAF Scampton...oops 8O

lancslad

Apparently when Lincolnshire County Council were widening the road past RAF Scampton's main gate in about 1958, the 'gate guards' there had to be moved to make way for the new carriageway. Scampton was the WWII home of 617 Sqn, and said "gate guards" were a Lancaster...and a Grand Slam bomb.

When they went to lift the Grand Slam, thought for years to just be an empty casing, with an RAF 8 Ton Coles Crane, it wouldn't budge. "Oh, it must be filled with concrete" they said. Then somebody had a horrible thought .... No!..... Couldn't be? ... Not after all these years out here open to the public to climb over and be photographed sitting astride! .... Could it? .... Then everyone raced off to get the Station ARMO. He carefully scraped off many layers of paint and gingerly unscrewed the base plate.

Yes, you guessed it, live 1944 explosive filling! The beast was very gently lifted onto an RAF 'Queen Mary' low loader, using a much larger civvy crane (I often wonder what, if anything, they told the crane driver), then driven slowly under massive police escort to the coastal experimental range at Shoeburyness. There it was rigged for demolition, and when it 'high ordered', it proved in no uncertain terms to anyone within a ten mile radius that the filling was still very much alive!

Exhaustive investigations then took place, but nobody could find the long-gone 1944, 1945 or 1946 records which might have shown how a live 22,000 lb bomb became a gate guard for nearly the next decade and a half. Some safety distance calculations were done, however, about the effect of a Grand Slam detonating at ground level in the open. Apart from the entire RAF Station, most of the northern part of the City of Lincoln, including Lincoln Cathedral, which dates back to 1250, would have been flattened.


Source: http://www.gunnies.pac.com.au/gallery/grand_slam.htm
8O :? :) :D :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh for the days before Elfan Safety. Can't have any fun now etc...
 

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