Typhoon beats the Yanks

#1
Bet that caused a few transatlantic hissys. :D


Eurofighter Typhoon Top Trumps the F-15 During Air Combat Training
08:07 GMT, January 22, 2010 During recent exercises, NATO Air Forces carried out several training combat engagements known as DACT, Dissimilar Aircraft Combat Training, involving different types of aircraft. In this situation, where the air dominance is a matter, the Eurofighter Typhoons turned out to be the leading air-to-air fighter jets.

Once again, the outstanding performance of the Eurofighter Typhoon was evident in a dogfight simulation. The 111 Squadron of the Spanish Air Force as well as the 493rd Squadron of the U.S. Air Force were deployed for training in Gando Air Base, Gran Canaria. The Spanish Squadron attended the training with a total of six Eurofighter Typhoons. The U.S. Air Force deployed F-15s.

In an interview on the exercise, Major Juan Balesta, the 41-year old Commander of the 111 Squadron stressed that a two-ship formation of Eurofighters involved in a dogfight simulation “against” the F-15s enjoyed full control of the engagement. The Typhoons managed to smash a formation of eight F-15s which had the role of the attacker with the first Eurofighter jet managing to "shoot down" four F-15 fighter jets. The second Eurofighter managed to disable three F-15 jets. Eventually the pilots were using the Eurofighter Typhoon to full capacity and taking advantage of its enormous capabilities. Trump that.

http://www.defpro.com/news/details/12628/
 
#3
Frankly, I would rather hope it did beat 1960/70s design.
 
#4
Junglynx said:
Put it against the F22

They have, Yanks sulked and took their ball home.



PE4rocks said:
Frankly, I would rather hope it did beat 1960/70s design.
The Yanks claim their F-15C's are top of the food chain.
 

maguire

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#5
how much was the pilot's work rather than the aircraft?

and would this exercise be relevant in a 'real' shooting situation, where the emphasis would, I expect (I stand to be corrected), be on engagement with BVR missiles rather than a close-in dogfight?
 
#6
maguire said:
how much was the pilot's work rather than the aircraft?

and would this exercise be relevant in a 'real' shooting situation, where the emphasis would, I expect (I stand to be corrected), be on engagement with BVR missiles rather than a close-in dogfight?
Everyone seems to forget the man in the cockpit dont they ??, our RAFG F-4 squadron went up against the Mig-29 when the Luftwaffe took them over after the wall came down. We did pretty well against a jet a generation ahead. In the past RAF Jags got kills on F-15's at Red Flag and even F3 Tonka's with JTIDS and other gizmos have given Eagles a run for their money. Its all about using your advantages to negate the other guys strengths.

Post 28 in this thread though is from a current F-15E driver who has gone up against Typhoon 1v1 .. http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/showthread.php?t=152291&page=2 .. and he should know.
 
#7

maguire

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#9
Semper_Flexibilis said:
Hakagure said:
Post 28 in this thread though is from a current F-15E driver who has gone up against Typhoon 1v1 .. http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/showthread.php?t=152291&page=2 .. and he should know.
Standard US get out of jail card - it was the unfair ROE's!
'I've fought against Eurofighters in the F-15E. They are a VERY capable platform, and in some ways more capable than the Eagle' - doesnt sound like he's trying to excuse himself in any way.
 
#10

the_boy_syrup

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#11
I don't quite get this

Were the 8 lined up or did they scatter and the Typhoons still got them

I'm thinking sheer weight of numbers v the two Typhoons didn't 1 or 2 Eagles get away and simulate firing some missiles back

I know theres an old joke from Korea when someone allegedly radio'd "Ive got 6 of them(migs) cornered at 20,000"

And I know Chuck Yeager got 5 ME109's in one day but that was at the end of the war when standards had dropped right down in the Luftwaffe

But really 2 aircraft really that good that they can shoot down 8 of one of the worlds best air auperiority aircraft?
 
#12
If memory serves, we used to regularily beat the Yanks and any others on Bombing competitions at Nellis in the 80'S and early 90's and even before then
We mainly used aircraft 40 years old or more(Canberra's), Jags that were all but retired, and Buccaneers were pretty useful too.

So no point them whingeing about unfair advantage, they had it before, now we have it.

Might even get some decent export orders because of it.
 
#13
the_boy_syrup said:
I don't quite get this

Were the 8 lined up or did they scatter and the Typhoons still got them

I'm thinking sheer weight of numbers v the two Typhoons didn't 1 or 2 Eagles get away and simulate firing some missiles back

I know theres an old joke from Korea when someone allegedly radio'd "Ive got 6 of them(migs) cornered at 20,000"

And I know Chuck Yeager got 5 ME109's in one day but that was at the end of the war when standards had dropped right down in the Luftwaffe

But really 2 aircraft really that good that they can shoot down 8 of one of the worlds best air auperiority aircraft?
I presume you were aware of F14/phoenix missile combination? Not in service now of course but the AIM 120 is, so I presume they started with that and worked on down.
 
#14
Surely, if a Typhoon isn't significantly better than an F-15 (C or E), then I'd want to know what all my taxes had been spent on.
 
#15
Darthspud said:
. . . Might even get some decent export orders because of it.
Hopefully even the US will buy some . . . :D 8O
 
#16
StickyToffeePudding said:
Semper_Flexibilis said:
Hakagure said:
Post 28 in this thread though is from a current F-15E driver who has gone up against Typhoon 1v1 .. http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/showthread.php?t=152291&page=2 .. and he should know.

Standard US get out of jail card - it was the unfair ROE's!
Indeed, but to beaten by the SPANISH! In some cultures, people would be opening their stomachs with knives with this level of shame! :D

True, they weren't even beaten by the A Team.. 8)
 
#18
Irrespective of the scores achieved in this - essentially theoretical - exercise, when is Typhoon likely to be used in anger against F15s? Given that the F15 is operated by the Japanese, IDF, Saudis and Americans I'd hope that we'd be unlikely to be up against it.

EDIT: Read the note below on the IDF incident: would Typhoon have survived this in a landable condition?

On 1 May 1983, during an Israeli Air Force training dogfight, an F-15D collided with an A-4 Skyhawk. Unknown to pilot Zivi Nedivi and his copilot, the right wing of the Eagle was sheared off roughly two feet (60 cm) from the fuselage. The F-15 entered an uncontrollable spin after the collision. Zivi decided to attempt recovery and engaged afterburner to increase speed, allowing him to regain control of the aircraft. The pilot was able to prevent stalling and maintain control because of the lift generated by the large horizontal surface area of the fuselage, the stabilators and remaining wing areas. The F-15 landed at twice the normal speed to maintain the necessary lift, and its tailhook was torn off completely during the landing. Zivi managed to bring his F-15 to a complete stop approximately 20 ft (6 m) from the end of the runway. He was later quoted as saying "(I) probably would have ejected if I knew what had happened."[1][2]
 
#19
Ursus.Maritimus said:
Irrespective of the scores achieved in this - essentially theoretical - exercise, when is Typhoon likely to be used in anger against F15s? Given that the F15 is operated by the Japanese, IDF, Saudis and Americans I'd hope that we'd be unlikely to be up against it.

Well, we did flog a load of Typhoons to the Saudis and the Red Sea pedestrians rely on F-15's for their air defence and long range strike.
 
#20
Hakagure said:
Everyone seems to forget the man in the cockpit dont they ??
True. I seem to remember that about 5 years ago a US carrier air group did some air combat exercises with the Israeli Defence Force. The former got creamed by about 105/7. There isn't enough between a F-16C/F-15C with AMRAAM and an F/A-18C with AMRAAM to explain the difference.
 
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