Type 31 Frigate

And if the enemy decides to do something dastardly like going after merchant shipping WW2 style what then? Your super duper Frigates, existing only on the drawing board due to cost and build rate, are going to be a lot less useful than something which is actually floating.

That is an area of weakness that has already been picked up by the USN, HMS Death Star wont be doing anything with no fuel or ammo when its unescorted supply ships get picked off.


Arrowhead 140 bears little resemblance to what T31 was meant to be.
It’s all grown up now, a proper big warfighting general purpose Frigate.

It was inevitable, after all, with 13 x T23 becoming 8 x T26, the Navy was bound to want to grow T31 to make up the proper Frigate numbers.

What T31 was meant to be will become up armed B2 OPVs
 
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Your super duper Frigates, existing only on the drawing board due to cost and build rate, are going to be a lot less useful than something which is actually floating.
That depends on your definition of "useful". If it's a cheap and nasty lump of steel with inadequate sensors, ESM, or self-protection, then it will be a very "useful" way of killing 100+ matelots.
 
That depends on your definition of "useful". If it's a cheap and nasty lump of steel with inadequate sensors, ESM, or self-protection, then it will be a very "useful" way of adding to the RN's tally of VCs.
FOC
 

Gerge211

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The specifications and standards to which a commercial ship is built are quite different to those to which a warship is (or at any rate, a UK warship built to DefStan various).
Most, if not all, of the DefStans relating to UK Warships structures have been superseded by Lloyd's Register Rules for the Classification of Naval Ships. If you want a bit of light reading you can register with Lloyds and download all 1332 pages of them here: LR Rules and Regulations for the Classification of Naval Ships 2018
 

Majorpain

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Join HMS Glowworm and HMS Jervis Bay! It couldn't happen to the same name, twice!
Plus Hood and Rawalpindi, grossly outmatched against what they were facing. But were the RN going to let the German surface fleet raid and pillage the convoys at will..... No!

Prince of Wales and Repulse could be thrown in pot as well, bad luck mostly did for them.
 
Plus Hood and Rawalpindi, grossly outmatched against what they were facing. But were the RN going to let the German surface fleet raid and pillage the convoys at will..... No!

Prince of Wales and Repulse could be thrown in pot as well, bad luck mostly did for them.

Prince of Wales - never thought that was an auspicious name fur a carrier, her predecessor was sunk by aircraft.

Doesn’t matter what the odds, the RN will always turn towards the fight, see HMS Bramble, a minesweeper on convoy escort in the Battle of the Barents Sea. Ran into a heavy cruiser and 3 destroyers, stood her ground, went down fighting with all hands.
 
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Riga

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Not that I’m aware of.
But I can’t see anyone allowing the T31 blocks to be built in very cheap eastern Baltic yards.

Sounds we are getting the worst of all worlds...
A cheap and cheerful designed to be built cheap and cheerful, built in high wage, high skill yards.
Well, steel is cheap and air may be free, but labour costs make up the real cost of building any ship.....and we’ve factored out the ‘cheap’ bit of building a ‘cheap’ ship.
Rear end of the Albion blocks were...
 
Most, if not all, of the DefStans relating to UK Warships structures have been superseded by Lloyd's Register Rules for the Classification of Naval Ships. If you want a bit of light reading you can register with Lloyds and download all 1332 pages of them here: LR Rules and Regulations for the Classification of Naval Ships 2018
Yes - and no. LRNS contain significant chunks of Defstan, they're not the commercial ship ruled rebadged. They also include "goal-based" standards which can be set to equate to Defstan. They are continually evolving - both to reflect IMO resolutions and more complex systems.

Not quite the simple swap out envisaged 15 years ago....
 
Was at DSEI yesterday and speaking to one of the bidders its today. Funnily enough they have one of the biggest stands!
 

Daxx

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Sponsored by Lidl, apparently :)
 

Daxx

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That depends on your definition of "useful". If it's a cheap and nasty lump of steel with inadequate sensors, ESM, or self-protection, then it will be a very "useful" way of killing 100+ matelots.
Perhaps they are going to be used as the decoys for the CVs when the Hunter-Killers are roaming?
 
As it will be assembled in Fife I now wonder what will happen with FSS.

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