Type 31 Frigate

Riga

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According to google Invincible crew size figures range between 650 - 680 and CVF 680 - 700 - Im not seeing this causing a massive extra burden on manpower.
If Invinciblke MK2s were built the same problems would occur - because it relates to cuts in 2010 not ship size
Google's not your friend. It is nearer a 1000, @Guns?
 
With the issues surrounding Harland and Wolf and Ferguson Marine currently, how will this affect the viability of the bid from the Arrowhead-140 team (Babcock/Thales)?
 
With the issues surrounding Harland and Wolf and Ferguson Marine currently, how will this affect the viability of the bid from the Arrowhead-140 team (Babcock/Thales)?
Those of us who know cannot comment, sorry.
 
Those of us who know cannot comment, sorry.
I wasn't expecting an informed answer!! I get commercial need-to-know, etc was just a general comment to bump the thread. Thanks for responding though.

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I cannot see it helping their cause. They might be relying on not being BAE to win now.
That's a bit harsh!

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Flight

LE
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They'll be making the ingots for us to roll into plates. After rolling the plates are quench and tempered which is what the plant at Clydebridge does. I see it called Q1N and NQ1 depending on who you are talking to about it. It's a pain to get right but there is good money in it.

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Any idea what sort of tonnage per year capacity such a recommissioned plant would be capable of?
 

doc80905

War Hero
Any idea what sort of tonnage per year capacity such a recommissioned plant would be capable of?
The theoretical capacity of Clydebridge when we did the furnace upgrades a few years back with TATA was 3,100 tonnes per week (working 24/7). That's making all the various Q&T steels (RQT and Abrazo grades). Q1 by it's nature would be a very small part of that. Our main customers back in the day were JCB, Caterpillar and Joy Mining, plus we made stuff for Arcelor Mittal, Thyssen and other steel companies that they sold under their own brand. Q1 we tended to get a run on doing then nothing for ages depending on whatever BAE were doing at the time.

It was quite amusing pointing out to a work colleague (who was a fully paid up CND man and member of Tommy Sheridans Scottish Socialist Party) that he had helped to make steel plate for Trident and Astute :grin:
 

Mike Barton

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It was fine when it left here..
Actually whilst I can see how the fine people of Belfast would have taken great pride in the result of their hard work, in fact sadly to say Titanic wasn't fine when it left H&W, in fact it was almost doomed from the design stage.

Thomas Andrews designed an ungainly behemoth. It was like taking the design of a standard saloon car and doubling its length, height and weight, giving it a much more high-powered engine with huge wheels like one of those monster trucks you see in US motor shows, and then sending it out to be driven down the high street. The ship was a brute too handle and its wake caused chaos in confined harbours, she was simply too big and too overpowered to cope with prevailing conditions.

It takes nothing away from the skilled workmanship of the men in Harland & Wolff to say that the ship designed by the architects was an accident waiting to happen.
 
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