Type 31 Frigate

The 'extra' 5 T31 Frigates are not 'growing' the Royal Navy, they are replacements for the 5 GP T23's

13 T23 becomes 8 T26 and 5 T31
No, those are the 5 'original' T31 - I suspect that any extra T31s are for export.
 
Jobs at risk as Babcock set to close historic Appledore shipyard in Devon

Around 200 workers face an uncertain future after engineering company Babcock International said it would stop building ships at a historic shipyard in Devon.

The yard's future had been in doubt after the government's decision in July to suspend bidding on type 31e frigate warships.

Babcock said it had "taken the difficult decision" to close the Appledore facility in Devon next year. It will end its lease on the site in March 2019 . . . .

In 2017/18 Appledore generated around £24m of the Group's total underlying revenue of £5.4bn.



Published: SKY NEWS, on Thursday 01 November 2018.
given Babcock still decided to close despite an offer of £60m orders from the Gov't will certainly not endear them with the decision on T31e so close
The article states that Babcock . . . .

". . . will end its lease on the site in March 2019".

QUESTION: Who owns the "Freehold", and does this mean the facility is/will be, still available for others to (re-)commence ship building in the future?

WIKI catalogues the various changes in name, ownership, of the OPERATIONS . . but fails to mention who owns the site.

Appledore Shipbuilders - Wikipedia
 
Im pretty sure someone** made that point about T26 18 Months ago and Typhoon X many years ago etc

Lets be honest an export T31 can hardly attract export interest when it hasn't even been determined what it will be

Edit for balance similar has been said bout the A400 which if you exclude the cheap offloading of inflated German and Spanish hulls - will probably be the case.

**Possibly not on Arrse
 
Im pretty sure someone** made that point about T26 18 Months ago and Typhoon X many years ago etc

Lets be honest an export T31 can hardly attract export interest when it hasn't even been determined what it will be

Edit for balance similar has been said bout the A400 which if you exclude the cheap offloading of inflated German and Spanish hulls - will probably be the case.

**Possibly not on Arrse
T26 didn't sell until the design was finalized and the UK committed to buying some. I would expect to see the same with T31. There is not a lot of incentive for anyone abroad to take the risk of being the lead customer for a totally new design when there are other existing ones to choose from. Export customers want to know that the design will be getting long term support and development from a larger customer base than just themselves.

The obvious customers for a T31 would be anyone operating something along the lines of a MEKO 200 size frigate.
 
Wrong


NDA prevents me saying more.

The UK track record at flogging cheap pretend Frigates, aka Corvettes speaks for itself.
It’s a crowded market, and we don’t have any idea what want, (well we do, we want a T23 lite for OPV money) or where we’d build it.

The GP T23’s have many more years ahead of them before they are replaced, if ever.
 
Does the Norwegian incident highlight any concerns over lean manning and automation versus Damage control and survivability for these type of vessels ?
 
Does the Norwegian incident highlight any concerns over lean manning and automation versus Damage control and survivability for these type of vessels ?
Nope. The damage extent to the Noggie appears to exceed that which it is designed to survive, irrespective of whether automated or manned.
 
the Nimrod replacement (MRA4) project needed to be stopped. It was already vastly over-budget and over-cost with no solution coming. It was a good decision. I will happily concede that it left a considerable capability gap that has taken far too long to resolve.
 

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