Type 31 Frigate

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LE
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Can we thrown in RCN's world class procurement processes as well? Just to make sure it will fail.
Better the RCN than the USN. They only admit a failure after spending billions on a handful of hulls that just don't meet expectations. See zumwalt and seawolf classes... Or LCS that the rest of your navy calls little crappy ship.
 
Better the RCN than the USN. They only admit a failure after spending billions on a handful of hulls that just don't meet expectations. See zumwalt and seawolf classes... Or LCS that the rest of your navy calls little crappy ship.
Fair enough. Also admitting failure if for losers. Like Canadians. We just spin ourselves out of it in the most dragged out process. So everyone loses interest in it eventually.

It would be awesome if we could combine and come up with a best practices document containing all the "worst practices of all the different countries."

Sponsored by all the major different defense contractors rubbing their hands in glee.
 

A2_Matelot

LE
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It will be interesting if the reset includes RN expectations and MOD process. If not then its doomed to fail again.
Not very close to T31e but from what I have seen there is a lot of internal optimism. All platforms mature and the designs for 31 thus far are all decent. They'll do the job and help make programme room for the T23/26 and T45.
 
What's the difference between this and the first round?
Navy set a price and the bidders exceeded that and stated costs and IPR issues were unworkable. Navy has said 'try again'

Likely to produce ships within budget which suddenly have cost overruns in the magnitude of 100s of % or a couple of WW2 MBTs with a few dummies strapped to them.
 
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Navy set a price and the bidders exceeded that and stated costs and IPR issues were unworkable. Navy has said 'try again'

Likely to produce ships within budget which suddenly have cost overruns in the magnitude of 100s of % or a couple of WW2 MTBs with a few dummies strapped to them.
What's the point then? It's either going to end up something absolutely gash and a liability or end up costing more in the end; in which case they should admit the 250 price tag is unrealistic. Just more kicking the can down the road by the looks of things.
 
Despite all the positive spin coming out of MOD, the fact is no-one has a clue at the moment. When Modernising Defence finally concludes there might, might be a chance each service can understand available budget and what they can spend it on. Right now it is all up in the air.
 

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