Type 31 Frigate

IIRC his tactical orders were just to conform with the movements of the flagship when a given hoist was up. Tryon reinvented this 40 odd years later in the RN to cut through the incredibly complicated signalling they had developed but rammed one of his own ships with the result that the whole idea was lost until post-Jutland AARs


 

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Who cares. Take the license fee
Plus the engineering fees for adapting it to Indonesia's requirements, plus the consulting fees for helping them get production going, plus the contracts for all the bits and pieces that were designed into the UK version but won't be replaced for the Indonesian version, etc.
 
If Type 31 is an export success, could you see a few batch 2 versions being ordered?
 
That enriches Bae shareholders only.

1) Type 31 isnt Bae
2) Theres no where to build it as present in the UK
3) The customer wants to build it themselves - refusing that mean someone else wins the bid.
4) It will create work in the Design office
5) It will support UK industry that sell equipment - systems - furnishing etc used in its construction
6) Beyond shareholders - it helps fund future designs (and thus work)
7) Selling it even for local build increases the chances of further sales - some of which may built on the future T31 production line.
 
Who are the French selling frigates to at the moment? Would they be interested in the T31??

Funny you should say that - the US selected FREMM as the basis of their new Frigate.

One wonders if Gallic stropiness will be tolerated to a point and then a perhaps the US will ask if it can really count on French support or not and will the FFG be at risk if perhaps the alliance isnt as close as the US thought.
 
Funny you should say that - the US selected FREMM as the basis of their new Frigate.

One wonders if Gallic stropiness will be tolerated to a point and then a perhaps the US will ask if it can really count on French support or not and will the FFG be at risk if perhaps the alliance isnt as close as the US thought.
Be bloody hilarious if they lost two massive contracts in quick succession.
 
Funny you should say that - the US selected FREMM as the basis of their new Frigate.

One wonders if Gallic stropiness will be tolerated to a point and then a perhaps the US will ask if it can really count on French support or not and will the FFG be at risk if perhaps the alliance isnt as close as the US thought.
The US FREMM contract is actually with Fincantieri, not the French. I know that the French and Italians have some sort of partnership there, but the French seem to have stepped back and let the Italians take the lead on selling the FREMM internationally.


When they were bidding on the Canadian frigate contract originally both DCNS and Fincantieri put in competing bids. Then DCNS dropped out about half way through in order to not compete with Fincantieri. Then Fincantieri dropped out just before the end because we wouldn't re-write the rules around the way they wanted to do things. The Italians left in quite a huff and also claimed the competition was rigged in favour of the Type-26 (it was widely rumoured to be the favoured ship).

The Americans (Alion) being Americans of course sued when they found out they didn't get the contract. The lawsuit was of course baseless and got tossed out in short order.

So the Italians and Americans both took their loss rather gracelessly and behaved exactly according to stereotype. I won't make jokes about the French surrendering early on because that would be unfair, they dropped out as part of their business arrangement with the Italians.

The British were accused of being underhanded and devious and of arranging favourable treatment through their chums (Irving Shipbuilding), but I'm sure that was just slanders by the losing parties.
 
The US FREMM contract is actually with Fincantieri, not the French.

Well aware of that - but unless its completely americanised there will be parts sourced from both countries (Italy and France)

If French rhetoric about not being true allies / irriperaple schism etc continues - I would not be suprised to see FG's French ties used as a stick to threaten them with
 

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