Type 31 Frigate

[Berlin_104s]

And already up and running at BRNC. To me it does beg the question how did they get in the hole that requires 3 new entry intakes running at the same time? Or is it because the numbers per class are reduced due to Covid?

This was prior to Covid-19 I believe. Recruiting up, so they increased the training throughput iot fill the gaps in the fleet.

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[Rab_C]

This was prior to Covid-19 I believe. Recruiting up, so they increased the training throughput iot fill the gaps in the fleet.

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Having been through the system as it was and I don’t believe the size of the place has changed, the new entry block was huge. I do find it had to believe that they are running capacity as it used to be? One of the mods on Rum ration is/was there I’ll ask him.
Edited to add.
Got my answer; the available accommodation has been drastically reduced due to Covid. One block has four messes but at present only one mess is in use to allow distancing.

 

[PhotEx]

Given the headcount problems in RN the cynic in me guesses T32 may replace the OPVs?

T31’s will replace the forward deployed B2 OPVs.

T32 is what was formerly T31e, T31 with a proper warfighting systems and weapons fit, and go to the Fleet to boost escort numbers.

 

[philc]

And already up and running at BRNC. To me it does beg the question how did they get in the hole that requires 3 new entry intakes running at the same time? Or is it because the numbers per class are reduced due to Covid?

I read that BRNC was being used but did not realise it was JRs, that will be fun, not.

Some concern was expressed that those new entry Trade JRs would go straight to Collingwood and Seaman type roles Raleigh, it would create a sort of split, I have been out far to long to know if that would be an issue.

 

[alfred_the_great]

I read that BRNC was being used but did not realise it was JRs, that will be fun, not.

Some concern was expressed that those new entry Trade JRs would go straight to Collingwood and Seaman type roles Raleigh, it would create a sort of split, I have been out far to long to know if that would be an issue.

To smooth the flow for Ph2, classes are now pretty much streamed according to Branch anyway. There's always one or two who aren't from the same branch as the bulk of the others, but most of my ABs came in batches from RAL.

 

[wm1965]

T31’s will replace the forward deployed B2 OPVs.

T32 is what was formerly T31e, T31 with a proper warfighting systems and weapons fit, and go to the Fleet to boost escort numbers.

Could you then explain what the fleet is allegedly to look like please?

6x T45
8x T26
[4]x T32
+
5x T31
+ B2 OPVs?

 

[PhotEx]

if the RN is going to ‘grow’ Escort numbers, from the current 6 x DG, 13 FFG, and the accepted number is 24 Escorts minimum, with T31 a self defence only constabulary ship, and B2’s becoming fish boats replacing the B1’s, that would imply at least 7 T32.

 

[Cold_Collation]

if the RN is going to ‘grow’ Escort numbers, from the current 6 x DG, 13 FFG, and the accepted number is 24 Escorts minimum, with T31 a self defence only constabulary ship, and B2’s becoming fish boats replacing the B1’s, that would imply at least 7 T32.

It should be more still, but...

 

[rampant]

Given the headcount problems in RN the cynic in me guesses T32 may replace the OPVs?

RN recruitment up 30% this year, next intakes full 500 cadets

 

[History_Man]

RN recruitment up 30% this year, next intakes full 500 cadets

Are they of better quality than some of what the Army are chucking out of RMAS at the moment?

 

[alfred_the_great]

Are they of better quality than some of what the Army are chucking out of RMAS at the moment?

The ones I've had are uniformly good news.

Some are a bit young, but I'd take that over old, cynical and embittered any day of the week.

Perhaps it helps that they're looking a future that includes permanent assignments across the globe, doing useful work, or working with the carrier as she deploys, or doing activity closer to home that has a genuinely and "feelable" output on a daily basis.

Or they could be catching covid and being cold and wet doing a 2* CPX on Salisbury Plain....

 

[rampant]

Are they of better quality than some of what the Army are chucking out of RMAS at the moment?

Couldn't say, you need to ask one of soggy types.

How bad has it been at RMAS?

 

[History_Man]

Couldn't say, you need to ask one of soggy types.

Has bad has it been at RMAS?

We have some outstanding YOs who are examples of everything that is right with the Army, but we also have some entitled idiots who seem to think that the world owes them a living. I directly worked with a couple of them very recently: the one who was the outstanding performer needed a bit of careful handling at first because it quickly became apparent that the individual's CoC were not as supportive as they could or should have been. The one who was not seemed to lack all energy and initiative and thrived on doing the bare minimum to get by. I have seen this pattern repeated all too frequently in the last five years.

 

[History_Man]

The ones I've had are uniformly good news.

Some are a bit young, but I'd take that over old, cynical and embittered any day of the week.

Perhaps it helps that they're looking a future that includes permanent assignments across the globe, doing useful work, or working with the carrier as she deploys, or doing activity closer to home that has a genuinely and "feelable" output on a daily basis.

Or they could be catching covid and being cold and wet doing a 2* CPX on Salisbury Plain....

I'm firmly in the old and cynical camp but I am not embittered; a good friend of mine was heading that way very recently, but he wound his neck in before we had to have an awkward conversation. The future for the Army is more deployability out of our overseas bases and territories, combined with more contributions to resilience at home. Finally, I was cold but not wet doing the 3* CPX at South Cerney (only 2 confirmed COVID cases on that one).

 

[rampant]

We have some outstanding YOs who are examples of everything that is right with the Army, but we also have some entitled idiots who seem to think that the world owes them a living. I directly worked with a couple of them very recently: the one who was the outstanding performer needed a bit of careful handling at first because it quickly became apparent that the individual's CoC were not as supportive as they could or should have been. The one who was not seemed to lack all energy and initiative and thrived on doing the bare minimum to get by. I have seen this pattern repeated all too frequently in the last five years.

How did they get past Selection? The Commissioning Board used to be superb filtering those types out. You may have got one or two slip through the net, generally those that superficially seem the "right sort".

 

[History_Man]

How did they get past Selection? The Commissioning Board used to be superb filtering those types out. You may have got one or two slip through the net, generally those that superficially seem the "right sort".

The Army has struggled in recent years to fill CC places, although I understand that that has changed now. Like me, you've seen the missives about sandwiches (the eating thereof) and biscuits (party rings, the provision thereof). With that sort of 'leadership' on display, perhaps undermotivated subordinates comes as no surprise?

 

[olafthered]

T31’s will replace the forward deployed B2 OPVs.

T32 is what was formerly T31e, T31 with a proper warfighting systems and weapons fit, and go to the Fleet to boost escort numbers.

Nope.

 

[Lindermyer]

Nope.

Is it possible to elaborate further - for those of us genuinley interested in other peoples Knowledge / Views / infomation

 

[PhotEx]

Nope.

tell the grown ups then, I’m sure they will be delighted to be put straight.

 

[olafthered]

Is it possible to elaborate further - for those of us genuinley interested in other peoples Knowledge / Views / infomation

T31 has a "proper warfighting" combat system. Just not from BAES.

T32 is unknown to industry, so sods know what it looks like.