Type 2 Diabetes

endure

GCM
Bloodsugar101 recommends

7.7 one hour after a meal
6.6 two hours after
6.1 fasting (when you first get up in the morning)

These should keep your HbA1C in the 5 percent range which will avoid all the damage that diabetes causes.
 
for instance, the American Diabetes Association (ADA) generally recommends the following target blood sugar levels:
  • 4.4 to 7.2 millimoles per litre (mmol/L) before meals, and 10.0 mmol/L two hours after meals,
While the British NICE people say:
  • 4 to 7 before meals and under 8.5 two hours after.

Strangely, my readings are invariably high before meals and low afterwards, but over the last year they've consistently averaged under 7, with a fairly strict diet. Stick at it.
Where as my readings very rarely get below 8.0 despite having my dose of metformin doubled a year ago. I do have my annual appointment with the diabetes practice nurse on Wed so I'll see what she says

Mind you I'm also taking statins which are linked to type 2 diabetes. I doubt if it's coincidence that I got diagnosed after I got put on statins after suffering a heart attack
 
I'm also taking statins
Me too, However, there's debate (as there always is) as to whether they're a help or a hindrance with diabetes. I can't take metformin; side-effects too ghastly. As with gout and heart issues, all the journalists casting around for a story to sell to the DM - and worst of all, the Daily Express* - invariably pop up every so often with something written by someone in the second year at some former technical college hoping to make his/her mark in the field with a Major Breakthrough. Usually a cartload of balls, but always worth reading so you can challenge your fully-trained GP diabetes specialist when you're feeling snarky and don't mind being thrown out of the clinic for being a twat.

* The Express actually has a template for this tripe; I saw a piece the other day which was almost identically-worded to something they wrote on an entirely different ailment.
 
Instead of the usual bottle of Mount Gay Rum for my birthday my daughters got me a couple of diabetic cookbooks, so I'm trying to be a goodboy and give them a go.

Had a jerk pork steak with a green salad tonight, with a vegetable tray bake.

Bought some raw beetroot, washed it, slathered it in oil and roasted them for about 75 minutes..... unpeeled.

For the last 20 minutes, roasted corn cobs and whole peppers...... surprisingly good, never done beetroot before, and didn't miss the usual chips.
 
..... I doubt if it's coincidence that I got diagnosed after I got put on statins after suffering a heart attack


Whereas I was put on statins after diagnosis. GP said it was to control my cholesterol - it was 4.5 before the statins.
 
Whereas I was put on statins after diagnosis. GP said it was to control my cholesterol - it was 4.5 before the statins.
I don't understand that; it should be less than 5.0. My cholesterol has always been high (5.8 at the last reading), but the statin (80mg Simvastatin) seems to control it to a large extent, especially as I now eat far more of the things which push it up, having now grown into a low-carb diet.

I asked for a full Bloods the other week, and after being stabbed three times now, have got back a great long list of numbers - only one of which the doc took exception to; too much iron. Everything else was fine, apparently, including liver function (phew).
 
I don't understand that; it should be less than 5.0. My cholesterol has always been high (5.8 at the last reading), but the statin (80mg Simvastatin) seems to control it to a large extent, especially as I now eat far more of the things which push it up, having now grown into a low-carb diet.

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I did query that with my GP but he said the Health Ministry mandarins in Whitehall had decided that the max level of cholesterol in Type 2 patients should be less than 4.0 and it was now "routine" treatment for Type 2. He prescribed Simvastatin to start off with but the side effects made me ill so he transferred me to Atorvastatin and I haven't had a problem since. My last cholesterol reading was 3.6.

Fortunately for me I'm on a diet and exercise only regime to control my Type 2 and that works although the quack had a go at me for putting weight on during the lockdowns which caused a temporary blip in my HbA1c reading. My BS levels two hours after a meal are usually in the 5.4 to 6.8 range.
 
The Nurse at my clinic seems to be obsessed with the joy of stabbing me; I've never felt her bum surreptitiously, or made any sort of Offensive comment about her girth, so it's possibly down to Lab Reports. Apparently I'm suffering (not that I've noticed) from haemochromotosis (excessive iron floating around in the blood). This is something often noticed, apparently, in diabetes patients, but is also frequently down to genetic disposition.

The only way of mitigating it is phlebotomy, which I'd thought went out in the 18th century, but is alive and sucking in Northern Ireland. My blood's no use for transfusion (too many African germs in it) so any vampires out there can get it on my eBay account, cheap at the price.
 

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The Nurse at my clinic seems to be obsessed with the joy of stabbing me; I've never felt her bum surreptitiously, or made any sort of Offensive comment about her girth, so it's possibly down to Lab Reports. Apparently I'm suffering (not that I've noticed) from haemochromotosis (excessive iron floating around in the blood). This is something often noticed, apparently, in diabetes patients, but is also frequently down to genetic disposition.

The only way of mitigating it is phlebotomy, which I'd thought went out in the 18th century, but is alive and sucking in Northern Ireland. My blood's no use for transfusion (too many African germs in it) so any vampires out there can get it on my eBay account, cheap at the price.
She's obviously looking for a good seeing to.
 
...> Whoosh!
Thanks, and well done.

If I carry on they'll bury me in an envelope.
I didn't cut out the booze at that time, and was really drinking too much (2 - 3 bottles of whisky a week), but still managed to lose the weight. I did cut out the booze completely, but that was after my weight and blood glucose had stabilised.
After diagnosis in May 2020, I quickly lost a lot of weight as I went onto a fairly severe no-carb diet, but despite not changing it much at all in the intervening period, after 6-9 months started to recoup the pounds - no idea why. I can still fit into my ten-year old jeans, though, so all's not bad.

I can't imagine that 'supplements' would do much good; a decent diet (minus the carbs) should be adequate, but you may have something else going on undetected (as I did, with haemochromatosis; the Consultant's going to read me my future next week). A full bloods might be informative?

Whisky's got no carbs in it, so it's one of my sins, along with pilsner; had to give up Guinness and IPA as they do have a lot of sugary goodness in them. Now I'm hungry...
 

Diko

Old-Salt
I was diagnosed Diabetic in 1988 and put on tablets. That lasted two months but my blood sugar kept on rising. I was put on Insulin and have never looked back. I can live a normal healthy eating life as long as I inject before each meal and before bed with a long term insulin.
 
...> Whoosh!


After diagnosis in May 2020, I quickly lost a lot of weight as I went onto a fairly severe no-carb diet, but despite not changing it much at all in the intervening period, after 6-9 months started to recoup the pounds - no idea why. I can still fit into my ten-year old jeans, though, so all's not bad.

I can't imagine that 'supplements' would do much good; a decent diet (minus the carbs) should be adequate, but you may have something else going on undetected (as I did, with haemochromatosis; the Consultant's going to read me my future next week). A full bloods might be informative?

Whisky's got no carbs in it, so it's one of my sins, along with pilsner; had to give up Guinness and IPA as they do have a lot of sugary goodness in them. Now I'm hungry...
Whisky was also my weakness.

The doc put me on Gliclazide, "better for you than Metformin" he said. because you showed you are responding to a better diet.
 
A full bloods might be informative?
Thanks for the info.

Had a full blood test recently that confirmed the high sugar thing (seven years after the - unkown to me - first sign of it). Everything else is OK, much to my surprise - even the liver levels.
 
Say goodbye to sugar. My first jab with the meter (new, clean, sharp needle) gave me a figure of 18.4, which was shocking. Going back to earlier posts here, you'll find all sorts of good advice on carbohydrate intake. Annoying to have to give up lots of favourite foods, but you soon get used to it, and if you're a bit porky, as I was a couple of years ago, you'll find that there's no need to chuck out those old trousers and belts now. Note that there's a lot of discussion (and probably a lot of disinformation) about the whole subject; for instance, the American Diabetes Association (ADA) generally recommends the following target blood sugar levels:
  • 4.4 to 7.2 millimoles per litre (mmol/L) before meals, and 10.0 mmol/L two hours after meals,
While the British NICE people say:
  • 4 to 7 before meals and under 8.5 two hours after.

Strangely, my readings are invariably high before meals and low afterwards, but over the last year they've consistently averaged under 7, with a fairly strict diet. Stick at it.

I find that most American readings are designed to put money into Dr's pockets rather than help with your health. They also pick up backhanders research grants from pharma companies if they manage to dish out prescriptions for certain target volumes of pills.

I went along for an annual MOT a few years ago, had my blood taken, analysed and was informed by the Doc I would have to start taking some pills due to a high reading. I checked the results myself and found that I was only 1% over on the particular reading of concern.......cholesterol I think. I told him to keep his tablets
 
Calories are irrelevant as far as diabetes is concerned. It's the carbs that destroy you...

I follow a chap on social media, Layne Norton who is a PhD in nutritional sciences. He has linked a lot of scientific literature highlighting that fat loss through a calorie deficit (regardless of the diet preference i.e. low carb, carnivore etc) typically improves insulin sensitivity.

Some of the PMID articles supporting this are 24070224, 15166305 and 33252690 in particular if folk are interested.
 
Instead of the usual bottle of Mount Gay Rum for my birthday my daughters got me a couple of diabetic cookbooks, so I'm trying to be a goodboy and give them a go.

Had a jerk pork steak with a green salad tonight, with a vegetable tray bake.

Bought some raw beetroot, washed it, slathered it in oil and roasted them for about 75 minutes..... unpeeled.

For the last 20 minutes, roasted corn cobs and whole peppers...... surprisingly good, never done beetroot before, and didn't miss the usual chips.


About 3 months on a lower carb diet, a little bread and the odd handful of oven- chips with plenty of foliage on the side, no late night biscuits, surgery rang and said my sugar levels were down to 5.3 from 6.3, with a couple of Metformin daily, so it looks promising.
 
I wonder if you might have been misdiagnosed ? I don't think I've got down to 6.3 never mind 5.3 and I'm taking 2x500mg of metformin twice a day.
 

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