Tyndall v Heath

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  1. Who did most damage to Great Britain, Tyndall or Heath?
    Couldn't stand the pair of them personally but suppose one was of little consequence except as a bogey man and one took actions on our behalf that changed the face of Britain forever.
  2. He came to power at a difficult time, promising to be tough on pay and tough on the unions, gaining a strong backing from his cabinet. Next thing there were powercuts, the three-day working week, freeze on pay and the 1970s oil crisis.

    It was only a couple of months ago that ARRSE members were slagging off Jim Callaghan for the same stuff. Pretty difficult time to be in charge really - it sounds even worse than Scottish football manager, y'know a bit of a poison chalice.

    Hmmm....an ex Oxbridge graduate confirmed bachelor as OIC Tory Party? Member of the Freddie Mercury and Elton John sport and social club more like.

    But..he was a war hero, serving as a gunner officer during WW2, so respect where it's due
  3. War hero?
    So was Robert Maxwell GC and look at the misery that that arrshole caused.
  4. With respect, I don't think that it's fair to compare them. In comparison, Tyndall was a non-entity - minority party, small number of votes, never in a position to do anything that had a real impact. While Heath could (and some would argue did) ruin the economy in a week, Tyndall was never in a position to be able to do anything that would have a major effect on the lives of the population.

    The thinking amongst political historians is that Heath's currently damaged image will be redeemed to some extent - his thirty year sulk over having been ditched by the Tories, plus the robust expression on occasion that he'd never made a real mistake hindered this process. One historian (who I'd best not name) acidly remarked that the best thing that Heath could do to repair his image would be to die so that the 'rather substantial obstacle residing in the Salisbury area' getting in the way of this rehabilitation would be removed).

    He faced some extremely serious problems, as PD remarks. The international financial system set up at Bretton Woods in 1944 had collapsed; the oil crisis was hugely problematic; and the economic legacy of devaluation, etc was still real. Iain MacLeod, who could have been a superb chancellor died a month into the administration, and Heath replaced him with a man (Tony Barber) not up to the job - which allowed him to tinker in the margins with the economy. Finally, some of the pronouncements made by his ministers (no support for lame ducks) and the image from the Selsdon Park conference that he was further right-of-centre and more radical than he really was meant that people were disappointed when he didn't deliver. His legendary rudeness, perceived arrogance (which some who know him suggest was actually to disguise shyness, but which came across terribly) and fervent support for what was then the EEC did for his reputation, particularly when information about how the electorate were rather misled about the EEC emerged. Even if his reputation improves over time, IMO, he'll be seen as someone who (rather unintentionally) laid the ground for Mrs Thatcher and who, in very difficult circumstances, tried his best - which wasn't quite good enough.

    So Heath did the most damage - but I suspect Tyndall would have done far more, but wasn't (mercifully) given the chance.
  5. Err MC not GC.

    Still can be a war hero and a cnut....(Col. Heath HAC wasn't btw :) )
  6. Tynders was done back in the 60s for organising a paramilitary formation...does that make him a terrorist?

    More seriously, Heath's famous "U-Turn" was responsible for the single best investment the govt ever made - saving Rolls Royce's bacon after they overreached themselves inventing the technology for the RB211 engine, the basis of all modern jets. By the time Thatcher sold them, they were well on the way to challenging the yanks, and the deal brought in loadsamoney for the state in the end. Rolls is now the second-biggest jet engine manufacturer and the most profitable.