Two Victoria Cross holders.

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  1. I was scanning the announcements column of the Daily Telegraph when I saw an entry for Guardsman Edward Charlton VC Irish Guards placed by his brother Alwyn. Looking up Guardsman Charlton VC I saw he was killed on the same day as Captain Ian Liddell VC Coldstream Guards, April 21st 1945. Edward Charlton was 24 Ian Liddell was 25. Four coincidences struck me, both were awarded the Victoria Cross, both were Guardsmen, both were killed on the same day and both are buried in Becklingen War Cemetery.
    Seems appropriate on St.Georges Day to remember two exceedingly valiant young men. At least for a minute or two.
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  2. Thinking about it I should also have written "Two Guardsman" after the title.
  3. Also appropriate to remember the six VC's killed in action on St Georges Day (23rd April)

    Arthur Leyland Harrison VC 1918
    George Bradford VC 1918
    Frederick Fisher VC 1915
    David Hirsch VC 1917
    Willward Sandys-Clarke VC 1943
    Philip Curtis VC 1951
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  4. We should remember every one that has died for King/Queen and country I do every single day.
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  5. Seconded.
    The Kohima Epitaph comes to mind.
    We're of an age (I certainly am) to have had every day contact with those who fought the Second World War and sometimes those who had fought in the Great War. Our family dentist in the late 1950s early 1960s was a Great War veteran. Today most of those who fought in the Second World War are either over ninety or getting on that way. Its no longer father's war or grandfather's war its great grandfather's war and with the passing of the generation that fought it its becoming ancient history to todays teenagers. To them Normandy, Arnhem, Dunkirk and El Alamain have little more relevence than Waterloo, Salamanca, Dettingen and Blenheim.
    Trying to explain to them that without the sacrifice of the Second World War generation (and the Great War generation) they'd be celebrating not St. George's day but Adolf's day and doing it in German not English must be a very difficult task.
  6. Totally agree I have siting on my desk a statue of one of my forma regiments VC winners from Kohima it serves as a small reminder to me of the words there but for the grace of god go I.
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  7. Conflicts today, even if they drag on, tend to be managed with tours, usually six months. In the World Wars, servicemen fought for years. I had an uncle who during WWII walked across/fought in North Africa, Sicily, Italy and finally Germany. Doesn't seem possible, yet they did, and the majority were conscripts, not career soldiers.
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  8. As a matter of pedantic interest is the statue of Captain John Randle or of L/Cpl John Harman?
  9. The British people seemed much mentally tougher in those days. They were used to fending for themselves and standing on their own two feet. They took personal responsibility for their own lives and expected to.
    Now with the welfare state system taking responsibility for your life seems to be actively discouraged. Its three generations since the formation of the welfare state and that state has destroyed peoples resilience and ability to fend for yourself. In particular the third generation since its formation seems to expect everything for nothing, its not only destroyed peoples self resilience its also destroyed their self respect and mental toughness.
    Its also caused people to believe that they can attain and maintain without effort and risk. People are becoming more and more risk averse, and with that comes a refusal to accept that there is a price to be paid for freedom. Freedom costs and sometimes that cost involves the loss of life and acceptance of life changing injuries. The refusal to accept casualties and accept injuries in defence of freedom risks enslavement.
    The peoples of Eastern Europe having been occupied and terrorised under communism understand very clearly what loss of freedom means, so do those Western Europeans who had first hand experience of occupation by the Germans.
    The generation that fought the Second World War understood very clearly what the consequences of defeat meant and understood that it would be a massive struggle that would require a huge effort over many years of privation, seperation from families and with the possibility of death and injury. And it was accepted.
    Todays generation with its everything for nothing life is mentally and physically incapable of that effort. And it stems right from the top, the politicians will not say clearly that there is a price to be paid for everything and that price may very well include years away from home. injury and death.
    Its why our Islamic potential enslavers regard us as easy pickings. They may very well be right.
    From the government downwards the sacrifices of two generations are being betrayed, put simply the self sacrifices of Ian Liddell VC and Edward Charlton VC are being betrayed and its beyond shameful.