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Two Generals, Three Hundred Officers and the Parachute Regt

#1
To be binned, well according to the Times anyway:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6954598.ece

The new head of the army has ordered a cull of more than 300 senior officers, including two major-generals and up to 32 brigadiers.

The move by General Sir David Richards follows concern that the army has more than twice the number of generals than it has regiments, with many top brass frittering away their final years of service in pen-pushing roles.

There are 94 regiments while there are a total of 255 brigadiers, major-generals, lieutenant-generals and full generals.

The first phase of the review began last week with the Ministry of Defence (MoD) saying it was “intended to produce a structure which better aligns responsibility, authority and accountability”.

Two major-general posts will go, one at 4th Division in Aldershot and the other at 5th Division at Shrewsbury. However, this is just two out of a total of 43 major-generals.

The closure of these divisional headquarters will also see the loss of a number of other staff officers, plus redundancies for civilian staff.

One of the main reasons for the cull is the need to lose 300 military posts in the main MoD building in central London and 370 from the Defence Equipment and Support arm by April as part of wider cuts in the civil service.

“These guys have not been found other jobs and as recruiting is now on target there is no budget left to let them sit doing odd jobs,” said a source. “To balance the books and meet Treasury budget targets the army has to get rid of them.”

There are nine major-generals and five brigadiers in the MoD building, with a further six brigadiers at the headquarters of land forces at Wilton, Wiltshire.

The bulk of the cull will be drawn from the ranks of 300 colonels, lieutenantcolonels and majors who have been passed over for further promotion and would normally be allowed to serve to retirement age.

Richards’s drive for cuts is not limited to the top brass. The future of one of the army’s most famous regiments is also under threat.

Major-General Jonathan Shaw, the colonel-commandant of the Parachute Regiment, warns in the latest edition of the regimental journal Pegasus that other infantry units are attempting to see its role axed.

No British paratroopers have dropped into battle since Suez in 1956. There are suggestions that the regiment should be broken up and used as forward reconnaissance units for the army’s frontline brigades.

Shaw conceded that “the balance of rationale for our separate existence” was under threat.

An army spokesman said the aim of the review was “to deliver more operational capability. This is not about efficiency savings but making the army work better”.
 
#3
If thats the case, how about all the top heaver RA,Admirals, that are still on sky high salaries, sure we have more Admirals than ships/subs these days?

I'm sure CnC fleet can be streamlined down at the same time.
 
#4
Bait and Switch: float the idea of disbanding the Paras, wait for the invetible OUTRAGE!!! on an epic scale, then announce that you "have listened" to the public etc and that the Steely-Eyed Dealers of Death From Above will be saved...

...then shaft some other, less cool part of the Armed Forces. :wink:

Job done. Back of the net! :twisted:

Cynical? Moi? :roll:
 
#5
beemer007 said:
If thats the case, how about all the top heaver RA,Admirals, that are still on sky high salaries, sure we have more Admirals than ships/subs these days?

I'm sure CnC fleet can be streamlined down at the same time.
You did mean RN and not RA there right?



On the other hand, now all these jobs are being sacked at Main Building, there must be some of those rather nice chairs being knocked out at a decently cheap price somewhere. Anybody know where I can pick one up for a tenner?
 
#6
Werewolf said:
Bait and Switch: float the idea of disbanding the Paras, wait for the invetible OUTRAGE!!! on an epic scale, then announce that you "have listened" to the public etc and that the Steely-Eyed Dealers of Death From Above will be saved...

...then shaft some other, less cool part of the Armed Forces. :wink:

Job done. Back of the net! :twisted:
What a surprise that you have decided to put in your two pennies worth on a thread which mentions Paras! All we need now is Auld Yyn to start bleating to complete the double.
 
#7
"On the other hand, now all these jobs are being sacked at Main Building, there must be some of those rather nice chairs being knocked out at a decently cheap price somewhere. Anybody know where I can pick one up for a tenner? "

Sadly not - the MB posts being cleared are being refilled through closure of other MOD london estate areas. Its quite impressive that in 18 years, we'll have gone from 18 buildings into 1 in London. MB is (and will continue to be) bursting at the seams.
 
#9
Werewolf said:
Bait and Switch: float the idea of disbanding the Paras, wait for the invetible OUTRAGE!!! on an epic scale, then announce that you "have listened" to the public etc and that the Steely-Eyed Dealers of Death From Above will be saved...

...then shaft some other, less cool part of the Armed Forces. :wink:

Job done. Back of the net! :twisted:

Cynical? Moi? :roll:
Using that logic, does that mean that we are in fact not cutting any General or other senior officer posts, however, Privates and LCpls’ watch out :wink:
 
#10
Just worked out whats going on - the press have picked up on the LF reorganisation and decided to turn the restructuring into cuts, and then added streamlining into the bargain. They also thought some random spin on the Paras (despite any such decision being an SDR call and not a random "lets do this in Dec call") for good measure.

This is BS served with a side order of bollocks...
 
#11
Fallschirmjager said:
Werewolf said:
Bait and Switch: float the idea of disbanding the Paras, wait for the invetible OUTRAGE!!! on an epic scale, then announce that you "have listened" to the public etc and that the Steely-Eyed Dealers of Death From Above will be saved...

...then shaft some other, less cool part of the Armed Forces. :wink:

Job done. Back of the net! :twisted:
What a surprise that you have decided to put in your two pennies worth on a thread which mentions Paras! All we need now is Auld Yyn to start bleating to complete the double.
Aww, are you missing your boyfriend, Fally?! :twisted:
 
#14
Gremlin said:
beemer007 said:
If thats the case, how about all the top heaver RA,Admirals, that are still on sky high salaries, sure we have more Admirals than ships/subs these days?

I'm sure CnC fleet can be streamlined down at the same time.
You did mean RN and not RA there right?



On the other hand, now all these jobs are being sacked at Main Building, there must be some of those rather nice chairs being knocked out at a decently cheap price somewhere. Anybody know where I can pick one up for a tenner?
Yes, RN (Rear Admiral's/Admirals)
 
#15
PE4rocks said:
western said:
To be binned, well according to the Times anyway:
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http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=140079.html
Of course I looked for catching a falling star as a good reference to the story :D Interesting to see though how everyone got of on the Para bit which was just the tail end of the article and actually suggested a new and more integrated role.

I for one have posted many times that the Army is over managed and a haven for the useless amongst the commissioned ranks.
 
#16
Fair enough, if that's your argument,then bin the Marines as well. When was the last Sea borne assault by them? The Falklands? Always having ago at the airborne,always was,always will be.
 
#17
Code:
with many top brass frittering away their final years of service in pen-pushing roles
some how I can't see many 50+ officers doing platoon atts. Running around in the field is a young mans game.
 
#18
rather than MOD tell Army, Navy and RAF what they need to cut why dont the Army, Navy and RAF tell the MOD what they need to fullfill there current role and future role then the MOD find a way to do this.
Surely budgets should be based on what needs to be achieved rather than what can be only just achieved on the budgets given
 
#19
"rather than MOD tell Army, Navy and RAF what they need to cut why dont the Army, Navy and RAF tell the MOD what they need to fullfill there current role and future role then the MOD find a way to do this.
Surely budgets should be based on what needs to be achieved rather than what can be only just achieved on the budgets given "

One - there is no such thing as the 3 services and the MOD as a seperate service - they are one "happy family". The MOD is merely the HQ element of the three services. Secondly such a discussion would be pointless as the answer from the Treasury would be - you have your allocation, deal with it.
 
#20
beemer007 said:
sure we have more Admirals than ships/subs these days?
And why wouldn't there be? There are other jobs for Admirals than driving ships. The same goes for Generals.

some balls from the Times said:
with many top brass frittering away their final years of service in pen-pushing roles.
Gadzooks. Are they saying that very senior Officers aren't all involved in death or glory bayonet charges?
They could have some young, thrusting Lance Jack involved in strategic planning, thus freeing up these Generals for a bit of fistycuffs with the fuzzy wuzzies. After all, surely a General, with years of experience behind them, will be just like John Rambo, able to defeat any enemy single-handed.

DMSDAVE said:
Fair enough, if that's your argument,then bin the Marines as well. When was the last Sea borne assault by them? The Falklands? Always having ago at the airborne,always was,always will be.
Have you been in a coma for the last six years? The last major one would have been 2003.
 

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