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Same for the insurance industry: Lloyds has set up a subsidiary in Brussels (of all sodding places) and they had a complete nightmare trying to fill the slots with half-competent people. Why? Because unlike the EU bureaucrats who pay a nominal 10% rate of income-tax (and are exempt from all local taxes and duties, as are their allowances), the tax rate for anyone over EUR38.83k a year in Brussels (which is a starvation salary in that city) is taxed at 50%. Almost none of their people came from Lloyds' London offices but were recruited from insurance professionals already in the country.

Any attempts to get UK insurance professionals to move to Germany or France (outside of normal posting rotations) have been roundly squashed.

Interesting - the friend who runs a vaccination supply chain is paying a different rate of tax so the salary matches what she would earn based in the UK. I also recall reading in the local news they have special tax rates/concessions for CEOs etc. Although perhaps its only for people earning over a certain amount - not sure on the mechanisms etc, but it takes into account the tax rate of the country you came from. When I first moved here I looked at a one bedroom, furnished studio apartment (gated apartment block, about 700 euros a month), and asked what the neighbors were like, the reply - 'The CEO of Colgate used to have an apartment with his family on the top floor'. I doubt he lived here and paid 50 percent tax.

Also for 38k being a starvation salary. That's 1700 euros a month after tax. That's also assuming you haven't got your sums wrong and calculated a years salary based on 12 instead of 14 payments.
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In a city where you can rent a central based apartment for 600 euros (if you want more for your money, then like most people you live outside of the city) and monthly gas and electric combined is about 50 euros for a single person, and water rates are 12 euros a month. A season ticket that covers all modes of public transport is 500 euros a year. Whilst an hour away you can literally buy a house for 60k. A beer in the centre is about 4 euros; a takeaway pizza from Paleos idea on my street starts at about 9 euros; and weekly shopping can be done for about 30-40 euros. A train ticket from Brussels to Arlon (three hours away; closest city to Lux) is ~20 euros return; places like Antwerp, Gent etc, which are an hour away are around 10/12 euros return.

I earn much more than what you state, and also spend way less each month than you state, living in a huge apartment literally 30 seconds from Schumann Metro.

Whoever told you that is a starvation salary is literally talking out of their hoop. I would disregard anything they tell you in the future.
 
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Seems our journey to hell will be facilitated by an old British invention...

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I'm not sure his grasp of modern history is really stable if he thinks that the Leave campaigners are like the leaders of the French Revolution.

They would need to be Socialist in outlook, anti-nationalist, anti-elitist, and anti-monarchist. Does that really sound like Rees Mogg, Boris or Farage to you?
 

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Signs of hysteria on the EU side. Very promising.
 

skid2

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Signs of hysteria on the EU side. Very promising.
That’s the hysteria where the brexiters go across, repeatedly asking for special treatment and the response is no.

Doesn’t sound like hysteria to me...........not from the European side. I don’t hear Barnier telling his lot, (in various languages) to hold their nerve.
 
That’s the hysteria where the brexiters go across, repeatedly asking for special treatment and the response is no.

Doesn’t sound like hysteria to me...........not from the European side. I don’t hear Barnier telling his lot, (in various languages) to hold their nerve.
Because he is neither asking them or listening to them.

The embodiment of the EU in one arrogant prick.
 
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I think the EU is doing a very good job of looking like the villain at this point in time, and just making it harder for both sides to come to terms with the separation.
 
And what exactly do we have in common historically with the Europeans? Other than their being our direct enemies and competitors. They have no history of English Democratic freedom as they're used to dictators, absolute monarchs and communists. Our future should lie with the Anglosphere.
Even (British) English orthography is made to resemble the French spelling (and, to the lesser degree, Latin one).
Communists has ruled in the so-called 'Eastern Europe' for less than 50 years (and about 70 in Russia). Considering most countries date back, in one for or another, for over a thousand year (or so) I wouldn't count that time as something that is that important.
You are aware, I hope, that in many countries average Joe had more rights than in the UK (at that time)?

We had Roderic Spode, the Europeans had gas chambers
As if Brits would be better that time. Who has used concentration camps after ww2 (not counting the communists)?

Wasn't Turk's grandfather just a conscripted member of the army, rather than a Nazi?
Aye. Near the end of the war, when 3 Reich started running short of able bodied men they sometimes gave a choice to the untermensch: fight for us or you and your family will go to a train trip to the camp. It's not as cool as it sounds.

You say we were America's bitch in the second world war yet during that war our brave citizens fought and died alongside each other fighting against those who you claim we have actual ties with.
Aye. When did we finish paying for lend & lease? thanks to whose money and manufacturers could we win it (in a bit Pyrrhic way)?

These historic ties with our European cousins: over the last couple of hundred years we have fought wars against France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Sweden, Holland, Denmark-Norway, Russia, the Swiss, Hungary, Ireland, Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania, Finland, Albania, Yugoslavia. In fact, pretty much every European country at one time or other.
So did other countries. Even within the family there are fights.

@ViolatorOfVirgins would you care to engage in debate rather than just leaving a funny smilie?
That's what I'm trying to do. However, I have a little time to stay up-date with that and other threads. Work, family etc.- adult life.

Judging by your poor grasp of English
I must admit I though my grasp was mediocre. Not the best, but not the worst either. It's clearly not.

I'm beginning to think you're European,
technically everybody born in the UK is European too (if we refer to the place and not their parents' origin etc).
But yeah, I wasn't born, nor raised in the UK (not that I have ever stated otherwise).

perhaps you have your own dog in this race?
Nah. I am a British citizen. I work and live here; I have a child with a local lass. Not that many links remained with the country I was born in.

Though I do think it's a bit rich when I hear European people in Britain bleating on about the perils of Brexit, they don't seem to grasp the hypocrisy.
Neither do I to be honest (i.e. about the hypocrisy). Maybe it's because, being brought up and living elsewhere they do think about the EU in a different way than the Brits do? Saying something from different perspective is a pro, not a con.

Of course they do. Citizens of the world and such, they have a say in your Democracy regardless of their actual country of citizenship.
Considering that English (and Welsch) most likely screw the whole country up in the last referendum, I'd say that raising the concerns by those who live here (regardless of their origin) is a fair thing to do.
Beside- Brits are amongst those who know the least about the EU ( Britons among least knowledgeable about European Union ) (and pardon for the guardian, but info is info) so maybe a word or two from other Europeans would do them well?
Beside, as I wrote above, I can- and I actively do- take part in referendums and elections.

Not if they are "not" eligible to vote here they don't then its just whinging by foreigners :)
One doesn't have to be a British citizen to take part in some elections (not the general one). God thanks.

Sorry it was sarcasm.


Them EU types think you are all one great big happy family, and they have a say in how you do things. Kinda like how they think they should get a say over here...
"Them Brit types think they know that much about the EU, while they know shite."
Generalizations aren't nice, are they?
 
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Considering that English (and Welsch) most likely screw the whole country up in the last referendum, I'd say that raising the concerns by those who live here (regardless of their origin) is a fair thing to do.
Beside- Brits are amongst those who know the least about the EU ( Britons among least knowledgeable about European Union ) (and pardon for the guardian, but info is info) so maybe a word or two from other Europeans would do them well?
Beside, as I wrote above, I can- and I actively do- take part in referendums and elections.






"Them Brit types think they know that much about the EU, while they know shite."
Generalizations aren't nice, are they?

Well the EU failed to market and advertise a positive image, and if the British voted to leave then whose fault is that? If you feel like the EU represents the Empire and only wants to milk you dry, why would you want to stay?

It is one thing to discuss the aspects of their choice in a frank manner, but in the end you still respect their decision because they are a sovereign people. I don't have to agree with you but we can still remain civil and carry on. It is another to sling mud like a shunned 8th year student who did not get picked for the dodge ball team. The EU is slinging mud, and only serving to harden the political will of the folks that voted to leave.
 

Sadurian

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Even (British) English orthography is made to resemble the French spelling (and, to the lesser degree, Latin one).
Communists has ruled in the so-called 'Eastern Europe' for less than 50 years (and about 70 in Russia). Considering most countries date back, in one for or another, for over a thousand year (or so) I wouldn't count that time as something that is that important.
I'm not getting the point you are trying to make here. What have Communists and the English language got to do with Britain leaving the EU? Are you seriously arguing that Britain (and England before Britain) has not been to war with most of Europe in the past 1,000 years?

You are aware, I hope, that in many countries average Joe had more rights than in the UK (at that time)?
You may want to read up on why, in the middle of the C19th when most of Europe suffered revolutions and uprisings, Britain survived relatively unscathed.

As if Brits would be better that time. Who has used concentration camps after ww2 (not counting the communists)?
Britain was better. They didn't have deathcamps. Concentration camps, by the way, are not the same as the Nazi death camps and extermination centres.

Aye. Near the end of the war, when 3 Reich started running short of able bodied men they sometimes gave a choice to the untermensch: fight for us or you and your family will go to a train trip to the camp. It's not as cool as it sounds.
That's a commonly trotted out excuse and one that ignores all those who actually did resist joining Nazi conscriptions. 'It was easier not to' is a poor excuse. I'm not saying that I would have resisted, but hope that I wouldn't resort to claiming that I had no choice afterwards.

Considering that English (and Welsch) most likely screw the whole country up in the last referendum, I'd say that raising the concerns by those who live here (regardless of their origin) is a fair thing to do.
Who are the Welsch? Sounds like Taffies who have been trodden on. You can raise concerns with the results of the referendum but democracy means that more voters wanted the country to leave than to remain. Whether or not the country will be 'screwed up' is to be seen. Given the current state of the EU economies at present, it doesn't sound like it is all milk and honey on the continent.

Beside- Brits are amongst those who know the least about the EU ( Britons among least knowledgeable about European Union ) (and pardon for the guardian, but info is info) so maybe a word or two from other Europeans would do them well?
Ah yes, the old 'you only voted Leave because you are ignorant'. Amazing how many times I've read that. If Britons know so little, that also means that those voting Remain were just as ignorant, of course, which rather nullifies the argument.

Beside, as I wrote above, I can- and I actively do- take part in referendums and elections.
Well you need to accept the results, then. That's how these things work.
 

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Because he is neither asking them or listening to them.

The embodiment of the EU in one arrogant prick.
They dont seem to be complaining. It looks and ands as if they’re perfectly content. Take a look a what’s happening on the brexit side. Chaos, May running the thing down to where there’s either ‘her deal’ or ‘no deal’,.

And Robbins, who’s out there negotiating, caught saying that he fully expects the Eu to agree to a delay.
Yet May states there has been no discussion of a delay.

Somebody’s fibbing.
 

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