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Turnkeys, gaolers, prison officers and screws

...well, just did the bizarre online tests. Aimed at teenagers?

Question re. pensions... MoJ are evasive.

I have, via Army and Civil Service, 24 years of CS classic pension at SEO grade. If i went PO, any idea if time served in that would supplement my CS pot or be treated as separate?

Your Classic pot would remain in situ, but if you transferred you would join Nouvos which is pants by comparison.
 
How does that work, then?


Contract says x hours. Not on a crappy 0 hours thing, not working through a ltd. co., in a union.

Do management failures to ensure proper resources result in pressure on the actual resources? If you leave on time, as per contract, what can they do?

You will be working 'FRESH START' conditions i.e. a fixed number of hours per week for a annual salary.

However, You will work beyond those hours daily/weekly. For example you have been detailed on a escort and you are scheduled to work 6 hours that day i.e. EARLY shift with a knock off at 1300 hours, 1305 hours you are still with the villain at the hospital for example and do not return to establishment until 1600 hours. You are instructed to assist Reception Staff in processing that prisoner and escorting to the wing, now 1630 hours. On arriving on the wing you find the Wing Staff are short of Staff to feed the inmate so you stay on until 1730 hours. All unpaid overtime to be repaid as TOIL within the agreement of Bulletin 8 FRESH START, i.e. within a certain time frame. But they are unable to grant you TOIL as there are Staff Shortages. If you read Bulletin 8 and expect it to be actioned by Management then you will be waiting a long time. Court Action you having a laugh as Bulletin 8 was thrown out by the Courts.
 
... also just (like 10 minutes ago) been asked to apply for a lead HS&E rôle with a private sector provider, i guess G4?

UK HSE director; salary in £75-90k range plus package. And non contributory pension.


Is it just me...?
 
Any threat by the POA to walk out, pull sickies or anything similar would end up with the government going to the courts to gain an injunction and they'd win.

Prison officer management in my brief experience stops at senior officer, principle officer and governor grades are more interested in career progression than the interests or safety of their "essential staff"/Key Resource".

I have absolutely no expectation of this government, or any other in the future, doing anything to protect prison officers unless or until one or more get killed by an inmate and, tbh, I seriously doubt it will happen then. All that will happen is the book of platitudes will be brought out and read from cover to cover.
This has all been going on for years! Was in the job for near 15yrs down south and up in the SPS.
Ended up basically being chucked out under "capability" because i couldn't walk through those gates again, i am still dealing with the trauma to this day.
Nothing will change unless you folks make it happen and vote in a stronger union, sticking together is the only way. No career movers required.
Work to rule is a start, divide and conquer is the hierarchy way to stop this having an effect.
The hidden shame of our country is the treatment of our Prison Staff past and present.
 
Our management are making the LSS up as they go, to drop staff in the shit.
My response to a Governor who tried it on me was:
"You know what Governor, this virus really is a blessing in disguise, nobody's leaving because at the moment, there's no jobs out there. But you just wait until there is".

Her gob was truly smacked.

But as a former officer, now a part time OSG, I'm just hanging on for the pension.
 

Yokel

LE
How much damage was caused by Chris 'Failing' Grayling and his half passed semi privatisation attempts - and cutbacks to staffing levels, building maintenance, and rehabilitation activities?

What is the point of cutbacks that increase reoffending rates, with the costs associated with the new offences?
 
How much damage was caused by Chris 'Failing' Grayling and his half passed semi privatisation attempts - and cutbacks to staffing levels, building maintenance, and rehabilitation activities?

What is the point of cutbacks that increase reoffending rates, with the costs associated with the new offences?

Rot started a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng time before Grayling. (Back to the 60's, I leave you to decide which century).

Remember in the 80's the 'NEW' DG was a TV/film producer.

Knew nothing of prisons.

Thought I was a Fireman at a Open Day at the nick I attended, (nearly said worked!!!!).
 
How much damage was caused by Chris 'Failing' Grayling and his half passed semi privatisation attempts - and cutbacks to staffing levels, building maintenance, and rehabilitation activities?

What is the point of cutbacks that increase reoffending rates, with the costs associated with the new offences?
Is prison the way we should be dealing with offenders though?

Are there better ways?
 

neil82

Old-Salt
Not sending them to prison isn't letting them off.

Plenty of litter needs picking up.
local probation service around here used to carry out work programs, guess who had to do the work due to HSE regs, the crims were tuckep up keeping warm in the van, lock the sods up, can`t re-offend there
 
local probation service around here used to carry out work programs, guess who had to do the work due to HSE regs, the crims were tuckep up keeping warm in the van, lock the sods up, can`t re-offend there
No, but they can upskill in nefarious abilities, whilst not being prepared to reenter society as a productive member.
 

Yokel

LE
Is prison the way we should be dealing with offenders though?

Are there better ways?

It depends on the crime. Whilst there is evidence that short prison sentences do not deter or reform, serious violent offenders and major thieves do need taking out of circulation.

local probation service around here used to carry out work programs, guess who had to do the work due to HSE regs, the crims were tuckep up keeping warm in the van, lock the sods up, can`t re-offend there

I imagine that the COVID-19 restrictions are causing problems with having a group in a minibus and so on.
 

neil82

Old-Salt
No, but they can upskill in nefarious abilities, whilst not being prepared to reenter society as a productive member.
best bit of rehab tried out anywhere was the three strikes system in some states of the USA, concentrated their minds not to get caught more than once but if they were stupid enough to continue offending they were stuck somewhere safe for the public at large, i believe it did wonders for crime rates in new york
 
Back to home.

I don't believe we should jail those who are not a danger to society, and those that are shouldn't be allowed out to pick up litter.
So in your world a burglar that isn't violent and has multiple convictions for same shouldn't be jailed?

I hope he/she knows where you live, they'll probably be able to rely on you for a character reference.
 
So in your world a burglar that isn't violent and has multiple convictions for same shouldn't be jailed?

I hope he/she knows where you live, they'll probably be able to rely on you for a character reference.
I'd hope we could turn them around prior to the 'multiple conviction' bit.

But yes. If non-threatening put on a curfew (ie in their house between the timings usually associated with nocturnal spontaneous visitations), they can pick up litter or similar nugatory work for the community, and they can continue working/looking for a job/training for when they have a little bit more free time.
 

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