Turkish Warships to force Israeli blockade of Gaza!

Will Turkish Warships make it to Gaza?

  • They will never leave port it's nonsense

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  • Only in lefties fevered imaginings

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  • The Turkish Army will slot their Islamic Government first

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  • Only to assist Israel with the blockade

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  • Yes they will sweep the Zionists from the sea!

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  • This is the event that pushes Turkey from Nato

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  • The Turkish Navy will escort a symbolic convoy close to Gaza

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  • Israel your days are numbered!!!@!!?!!

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#1
or so an almost hysteric Jon Snow just claimed on Channel 4 news to a very bemused Israeli spokesman*

Mr Snow said it more than once and seemed to be of the opinion that he was informed as to the intent of Turkey's military.

Could the Turkish Navy be the deciding factor in the Gaza conflict or more to the point just how partizan and unobjective is UK reporting on this issue?

* the poor sod has been on UK telly all day fielding inane anti Israel rubbish from media luuvies, he's been doing damned well bless him.
 
#3
armchair_jihad said:
or so an almost hysteric Jon Snow just claimed on Channel 4 news to a very bemused Israeli spokesman*

Mr Snow said it more than once and seemed to be of the opinion that he was informed as to the intent of Turkey's military.

Could the Turkish Navy be the deciding factor in the Gaza conflict or more to the point just how partizan and unobjective is UK reporting on this issue?

* the poor sod has been on UK telly all day fielding inane anti Israel rubbish from media luuvies, he's been doing damned well bless him.
Why would the Turks bother to do such a thing?
 
#4
LMAO! Okay, rhetoric aside... does anyone think the Turks would be so stupid as to seriously contemplate such a maneuver when they have their hands full with the Kurds at the moment?
 
#5
Khyros said:
LMAO! Okay, rhetoric aside... does anyone think the Turks would be so stupid as to seriously contemplate such a maneuver when they have their hands full with the Kurds at the moment?
But could they win (if they thought it was in their interests)?

Would NATO come to their aid if they got in a scrap with Israel?

Now that no-one wants the Turks in the EU, Turkey has got to find friends somewhere. How better to win the leadership of the 'not entirely nutty' part of the Muslim Middle East, than by taking on the Israelis?
 
#6
There would be the Turkish navy at the bottom of the Med. The USA wouldn't let it happen, because

a) It would raise the question of the Article 5, and the USA would never support an attack on Israel.

b) Turkey needs NATO and there's no way that NATO would let itself become embroiled.

Utter fantasy.
 

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#7
There was an addendum at the end of the Ch4 News in which Snow said that he'd been corrected and the Turkish Foreign Minister* never in fact said that they'd despatch a warship.

On top of that, the Turkish Defence Minister* reiterated that they had no intention of doing so.


*Governmental posts possibly reversed - I was making dinner at the time and only had it on in the background.
 
#8
Sixty said:
There was an addendum at the end of the Ch4 News in which Snow said that he'd been corrected and the Turkish Foreign Minister* never in fact said that they'd despatch a warship.

On top of that, the Turkish Defence Minister* reiterated that they had no intention of doing so.
Because Jon Snow and others in the C4 newsroom made it up, which raises the question about the shouty jew baiting that currently passes for journalism on most UK Broadcast media

'We are all Hezbollah now' etc etc
 
#9
angular said:
But could they win (if they thought it was in their interests)?

Would NATO come to their aid if they got in a scrap with Israel?

Now that no-one wants the Turks in the EU, Turkey has got to find friends somewhere. How better to win the leadership of the 'not entirely nutty' part of the Muslim Middle East, than by taking on the Israelis?
1st... Nope... Turkish naval vessels are inferior to what Israel has and even more, to engage the Israelis they would have to operate within range of the IAF and out of the range of their own air support.

2nd point. Not a chance in heck... NATO barely supports the low intensity mission in Afghanistan, let alone a major operation against someone who can really ruin their day.

3rd issue... the Kurds would suddenly become equipped with modern IAI manufactured MANPADS and ATGMs which would have an immediate impact on Turkish operations.
 
#10
There exists a much simpler solution. Egypt can end (and has just ended) its blockade of Gaza.

Our Israely friends are able to sink Turkish warships. Why not?

And American warships could be fired (as it happened before).
 
#11
Turkish warships could not succeed without air defense in the form of a CAP. Turkey has no carriers and I can't think of a NATO member who would provide the air cover. Any navy without carriers has very limited power projection capabilities.

Would the Israeli forces sink them. No question in my mind. Remember the Israeli attack on Liberty? Killed more sailors than the attack on Cole.
 
#12
Khyros said:
angular said:
But could they win (if they thought it was in their interests)?

Would NATO come to their aid if they got in a scrap with Israel?

Now that no-one wants the Turks in the EU, Turkey has got to find friends somewhere. How better to win the leadership of the 'not entirely nutty' part of the Muslim Middle East, than by taking on the Israelis?
1st... Nope... Turkish naval vessels are inferior to what Israel has and even more, to engage the Israelis they would have to operate within range of the IAF and out of the range of their own air support.

2nd point. Not a chance in heck... NATO barely supports the low intensity mission in Afghanistan, let alone a major operation against someone who can really ruin their day.

3rd issue... the Kurds would suddenly become equipped with modern IAI manufactured MANPADS and ATGMs which would have an immediate impact on Turkish operations.
But to answer your point 3; why worry about the Kurds getting more weapons? The Kurds will never force Ankara to surrender, and the Turks are looking for a leadership role in their region.
 
#13
DavidBOC said:
Turkish warships could not succeed without air defense in the form of a CAP. Turkey has no carriers and I can't think of a NATO member who would provide the air cover. Any navy without carriers has very limited power projection capabilities.
There is a rather large carrier no more than 120 miles away, Turkish North Cyprus, no reason why air cover couldn't be adequately provided from there, however it is academic as this is not going to happen.
 
#14
What happens then when the said escorted convoy, gets into Israeli waters. Are Turkish vessels going to break a naval blockade?

Tom Clancy shite.
 
#15
But to answer your point 3; why worry about the Kurds getting more weapons? The Kurds will never force Ankara to surrender, and the Turks are looking for a leadership role in their region.
Kurds don't need to force anything on Ankara... they just need to be able to halt Turkish operations.

There is a rather large carrier no more than 120 miles away, Turkish North Cyprus, no reason why air cover couldn't be adequately provided from there, however it is academic as this is not going to happen.
I'm sure the Greeks would go along with having squadrons of Turkish military birds being stationed even closer to them... ;)
 
#16
"I'm sure the Greeks would go along with having squadrons of Turkish military birds being stationed even closer to them... "

The Greeks and the British failed to do anything about the Turkish invasion in 1974, and the ensuing war. Can the Greeks even afford fuel for their Air Force?

I see nothing that could compete with Turkish CAP in the Cypriot arsenal, a few mil attack Helicopters and a Britten Norman defender is not going to go far against Turkish F16's and even the Hellenic Air Force is going to struggle against superior numbers in the Turkish Air Force.
 
#17
angular said:
Khyros said:
LMAO! Okay, rhetoric aside... does anyone think the Turks would be so stupid as to seriously contemplate such a maneuver when they have their hands full with the Kurds at the moment?
But could they win (if they thought it was in their interests)?

Would NATO come to their aid if they got in a scrap with Israel?

Now that no-one wants the Turks in the EU, Turkey has got to find friends somewhere. How better to win the leadership of the 'not entirely nutty' part of the Muslim Middle East, than by taking on the Israelis?
Turkey could certainly use a powerful friend. So could any country.

Again, this is pure fantasy, but if the Chinese wanted to an ally in the region they've got the cash to buy Turkey out of NATO and into their fold. Economic development, aid money, military equipment . . . whatever it takes.

The only reason they would do it is for the Mid East oil fields, of course. Pakistan, Iran and Turkey. Make them Chinese satraps and the West's control of those fields has never been so threatened. And both sides are fighting for their economic lives -- Saudia Arabia sold more oil to China last year than it did to America.

There's an historical angle as well. Turkey and China were trading with each other along the Silk Road through Pakistan and Iran when England was a Roman colony.

And if the Chinese wanted to seize the day and make themselves the most popular nation in the Muslim world, all they need is a Turkish boat, a Turkish flag, a few tonnes of humanitarian supplies on board -- and a dozen Chinese paratroopers and a Chinese general. It would make for an interesting situation.
 
#18
Although they're also pretty tight with the Issies on defence, industrial & agicultural projects.
 
#19
KGB_resident said:
There exists a much simpler solution. Egypt can end (and has just ended) its blockade of Gaza.
I believe that this is only a temporary measure.
 
#20
Guys, there is a much more important factor that seems to have escaped peoples notice.
When I was on holiday in Turkey, I went on a river trip to a beach close to Side. We dove off the boat into cold, fresh, drinkable water. Just off the coast was something that looked like a small oil well. Anchored to it was a tug with a large bladder that was slowly being filled with fresh water. It was explained to me that the bladder would soon be en-route to Israel.

I will leave it to your esteemed selves to make the research and the conclusions.
 

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