Turkish armed forces equipped by IAI and Elbit

#1
In light of recent events, and speculations about if Turkey should even think of any action, can I draw attention to the following please :)

In 1995, the Turkish government signed an agreement with IAI of Israel to update about 54 of Turkey's F-4Es. The update program included structural strengthening and an avionics improvement package similar to the Israeli Phantom 2000 configuration, but with some changes as per Turkish requirements, leading to the designation of "Phantom 2020". As with Israeli Phantom 2000s, Turkish Phantom 2020s have the ability to carry the big Popeye ASM, that weapon having been acquired by the Turks.

Elbit Systems And IAI To Supply Turkey Combined Airborne Imagery Intelligence Systems

Buildings in Tel Aviv as seen by the Elbit Systems airborne imaging system.
by Staff Writers
Haifa, Israel (SPX) Jan 02, 2009
Elbit Systems Ltd. and Israel Aerospace Industries Ltd (IAI) announced today that their respective subsidiaries, Elbit Systems Electro-Optics Elop Ltd. (Elbit Systems Electro-Optics) and ELTA Systems Ltd. (ELTA) have been awarded a $141 million contract ($87 million awarded to Elbit Systems Electro-Optics and $54 million awarded to ELTA) to supply the Turkish Air Force with combined airborne IMINT (Imagery Intelligence) systems.

etc etc

I also think somewhere in the late 90s, didn't Elbit upgrade the targeting and FLIR systems on the Turkish Army Aviation AH-1P Cobras and AH-1W SuperCobras?

Also there has been a recent muck up with the procurement of Heron UAV by the Turks.

Cheers
 
#2
And where did the Turks get the Phantoms from.............Germany,who sold them without advanced kit so that they couldn´t use them to waste the Kurds in great numbers,the Greens would only agree to the sales if they were for recce use or were fitted with MG´s etc,and the hippies believed it!

The Turks have 6 Heron already delivered and there´s 4 more on the way in June or July.
 
#4
midnight said:
And where did the Turks get the Phantoms from.............Germany,who sold them without advanced kit so that they couldn´t use them to waste the Kurds in great numbers,the Greens would only agree to the sales if they were for recce use or were fitted with MG´s etc,and the hippies believed it!
Only a small proportion of Turkish F-4s are ex-Luftwaffe. The vast majority were delivered new from the US from the mid-70s or from retired USAF stocks during the 80s.

Regards,
MM
 
#5
Very interesting.
Cheers chaps.
Thought it looked like appeasing the masses.
Turkeys government probably got straight on the phone to their pals in Israel.
 
#6
The Turkish Government have just told their pals that the new contract to deliver more water and energy has just been cancelled,private contracts though are not affected.
 
#7
Turkey's military programs with Israel remain in place
ANKARA - Hürriyet Daily News

Turkey’s military ties with Israel have not been hindered by the ongoing tension over Israel’s killing of civilians on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla. Defense Minister Vecdi Gönül says there are no large-scale joint projects, but ongoing programs with Israeli defense companies are worth hundreds of millions of dollars and will continue. In another development, Turkey has suspended all state water and energy projects with Israel

Despite unprecedented tensions between Turkey and Israel over the military attack on a Turkish aid flotilla bound for Gaza, several defense industry programs between the two countries remain in place.

National Defense Minister Vecdi Gönül
on Tuesday made it clear that Turkey would not cut its defense cooperation with Israel, but said presently there were no large-scale or "serious projects" left anyway.
 
#8
Relations between Turkey and Israel have been deteriorating over the last few years. This latest incident will also hit Turkey's tourism industry as it was a country that Israelis enjoyed going to.
Turkey's PM has a hidden agenda and their govt has a leaning towards Islam unlike previous govts. Also they are forging ties with Iran/Syria.
Relations between the 2 countries (Israel/Turkey) used to be good and even limited military exercises were held periodically between the two. Those days of good relations were long gone before this Turkish backed activist flotilla.
 
#9
Arik said:
Relations between Turkey and Israel have been deteriorating over the last few years. This latest incident will also hit Turkey's tourism industry as it was a country that Israelis enjoyed going to.
Turkey's PM has a hidden agenda and their govt has a leaning towards Islam unlike previous govts. Also they are forging ties with Iran/Syria.
Relations between the 2 countries (Israel/Turkey) used to be good and even limited military exercises were held periodically between the two. Those days of good relations were long gone before this Turkish backed activist flotilla.
Probably correct Arik, but how could Turkey break these ties without damaging its NATO/EU alliances..... ?
Oh, thanks Isreal, just what Turkey needed - a valid and justified reason!
 
#10
Turkeys government is probably pleased that there are less "Martyrs" to deal with.
Despite all the public hand wringing.
In a years time who'll care?
Old News.
 
#11
As people point out the media is rather bombastically branding Turkish sentiment as anti Israeli.

I think we really have to take a step back and consider that it is not relations with Turkey as a nation that are suffering, it is relations with a part of the executive which is on thin ice and a portion of the population which is from arabic descent (or part of the 'Palestinian' diaspora) and thus whilst increasingly powerful democratically due to population expansion does not represent any particularly large portion of the nations economic class or institutional backbone.

After slotting a few of the more fundie Turks I am sure relations between the IDF and the Turkish millitary are probably quite rosie behind closed doors.

Expect things to be back on normal when the fiercely secular officer corps and elements of the upper chamber and some within the cabinet let their views be felt. If not expect to see some hot coup action preventing the nation's slide away from Europe towards the ME.
 
#12
Also remember Turkey was set up as, and has the Constitution of, a secular state.

Ergo the previous 'reason' for military intervention in civilian government being that the Armed Forces are charged with 'protection of the Constitution' As someone has said previously the Turkish military hierarchy remains fiercely anti the idea of religious 'interference' in politics.

(edited for mong fingers!)
(and the second time for not spotting the spelling errors) D'oh
 
#13
...The pro-Islamic newspaper Yeni Safak described the Israeli troops as "The children of Hitler" in a banner headline.

But other officials were delivering messages of restraint and Turkey said it was not canceling plans to accept $183 million (euro150.56 million) worth of Israeli drone planes this summer.
"We will find a solution within law and diplomacy," Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc said Monday. "No one should expect us to declare war on Israel over this." Turkey's eight-year-old Islamic-rooted government has publicly and frequently expressed outrage over Israel's 2008-2009 war in Gaza and continuing blockade of the strip. But Turkey's deeply secular military remains heavily dependent on high-tech Israeli arms in its battle against Kurdish separatist guerrillas based along Turkey's mountainous southeastern border with Iraq. Israel's right-leaning government said that the countries' defense ministers had agreed hours after the raid that the incident wouldn't affect Israeli weapons sales to Turkey. The massive Heron drones to be delivered this summer can fly at least 20 hours nonstop and first saw action against Hamas militants in the Gaza war. Turkey hopes they can gather crucial intelligence on Kurdish rebels and allow pinpoint strikes at a time of escalating insurgent attacks. Israel also recently completed a more than $1 billion upgrade of Turkey's aging tank fleet and U.S.-made F-4 warplanes. Turkey has opened its airspace to Israeli pilots for training purposes. (....)
Turkey called for emergency meetings of the United Nations Security Council and NATO to condemn the killings. But its representative to NATO did not demand that the alliance take collective action against Israel, according to a diplomat who attended the talks. The official asked not to be named because of the sensitivity of the matter.
"The relations are based on mutual trust and I don't think they are permanently damaged," said Mahfi Egilmez, an analyst with NTV television. "The relations can improve when there is a new government in Israel or when the Gaza conflict is solved."
(...)
http://www.mail.com/intl/Article.as...1/U_EU-Turkey-Israel?pageid=1&pCurr=2&pNext=0
Just to get some perspective.
 
#14
Excellent ! All that is pushing Turkey closer to the Muslim world, where it belongs, and away from Europe, where some madmen with atlantist agendas would have liked it to go.
 
#15
fantassin said:
Excellent ! All that is pushing Turkey closer to the Muslim world, where it belongs, and away from Europe, where some madmen with atlantist agendas would have liked it to go.
Do you really want Turkey with it's huge population and military getting cosy with the likes of Iran?
 
#16
Zemlyak said:
fantassin said:
Excellent ! All that is pushing Turkey closer to the Muslim world, where it belongs, and away from Europe, where some madmen with atlantist agendas would have liked it to go.
Do you really want Turkey with it's huge population and military getting cosy with the likes of Iran?
If they did so, I trust the Turkish Army to stage a coup IOT put things back under control. At any rate, I'd rather have Turkey become best buddy with Iran that have Turkey within the EU. We are just too different.
 
#17
fantassin said:
Zemlyak said:
fantassin said:
Excellent ! All that is pushing Turkey closer to the Muslim world, where it belongs, and away from Europe, where some madmen with atlantist agendas would have liked it to go.
Do you really want Turkey with it's huge population and military getting cosy with the likes of Iran?
If they did so, I trust the Turkish Army to stage a coup IOT put things back under control. At any rate, I'd rather have Turkey become best buddy with Iran that have Turkey within the EU. We are just too different.
Not bringing Turkey into the EU must naturally make them look eastwards for their friends, but as there's no practical way the EU can absorb Turkey, it's inevitable.
 
#18
fantassin said:
Zemlyak said:
fantassin said:
Excellent ! All that is pushing Turkey closer to the Muslim world, where it belongs, and away from Europe, where some madmen with atlantist agendas would have liked it to go.
Do you really want Turkey with it's huge population and military getting cosy with the likes of Iran?
If they did so, I trust the Turkish Army to stage a coup IOT put things back under control. At any rate, I'd rather have Turkey become best buddy with Iran that have Turkey within the EU. We are just too different.
I don't disagree with you about the EU issue, but who's to say that the military will stay as it is.
 

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