Turkey strikes 'killed 160 rebels' (terrorists)

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BBC News - Turkish airstrike campaign 'killed 160 Kurdish rebels'

Turkish airstrike campaign 'killed 160 Kurdish rebels'

Turkish jets bombed Kurdish rebel bases in northern Iraq in a series of air strikes last week which killed up to 160 rebels, Turkish officials say.

There has been an increase in attacks by the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) on Turkey's army this summer, casting doubt on the chances of peace talks.
WTF is the BBC calling these Terrorists Rebels for??!!

Attacking Turkey from the 'safe haven' created by Operation Iraqi Freedom...
 
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Well its a classic example of one man's freedom fighter (rebel) is anothers terrorist. The PKK will counter that the Kurds in Turkey are treated like second class citizens and that they are fighting the good fight to gain the political and human rights they deserve. The Turks will call bullshit and claim that they treat their Kurdish brothers with nothing but hugs and kisses and that well the PKK are a bit more willing to have a face to face ruck than most terrorists against security forces, they are terrorists because they also indulge in civilian targeted bombing.
For my own two pence neither side comes off particularly well and have both indulged in extremely unpleasant and unethical behaviour.
 
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Well its a classic example of one man's freedom fighter (rebel) is anothers terrorist. The PKK will counter that the Kurds in Turkey are treated like second class citizens and that they are fighting the good fight to gain the political and human rights they deserve. The Turks will call bullshit and claim that they treat their Kurdish brothers with nothing but hugs and kisses and that well the PKK are a bit more willing to have a face to face ruck than most terrorists against security forces, they are terrorists because they also indulge in civilian targeted bombing.
For my own two pence neither side comes off particularly well and have both indulged in extremely unpleasant and unethical behaviour.
Exactly.

But.... the BBC has a duty to follow a protocol when reporting on these groups.

The PKK are considered a terrorist organization by NATO, the EU, UK, USA, etc, etc, etc.

But here the BBC has described them as rebels - why?
 

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Why don't you ask the BBC rather than a load of strangers on tinterweb?
 
#5
C'mon, it's the BBC. I expect useless journalism.
 
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Plenty more where they came from....nothing to do with us, leave them to it, get our fingers burnt, lessons learnt etc.
 
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The PKK are considered a terrorist organization by NATO, the EU, UK, USA, etc, etc, etc.

But here the BBC has described them as rebels - why?
Because it happened on a Bank Holiday and the 'B' team were editing. Classic case of 'eye off ball'.

You find far more items pinched from newspapers and crap packages in the summer months, while the top brass turn off their Blackberries and enjoy themselves in Santa Monica.
 
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Exactly.

But.... the BBC has a duty to follow a protocol when reporting on these groups.

The PKK are considered a terrorist organization by NATO, the EU, UK, USA, etc, etc, etc.

But here the BBC has described them as rebels - why?
Are you really as thick as you appear, or are you intentionally attempting to cause outrage for no good reason. A child of ten could tell you that the use of the word 'rebels' in the article you linked is quoting directly from Turkish officials, and furthermore, the writer gives the information that the PKK is designated a terrorist organisation by Turkey, the EU and the US.
 
#9
also I guess terrorists doesn't really cover it when the insurgents have bases set up in another country.
 
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Are you really as thick as you appear, or are you intentionally attempting to cause outrage for no good reason. A child of ten could tell you that the use of the word 'rebels' in the article you linked is quoting directly from Turkish officials, and furthermore, the writer gives the information that the PKK is designated a terrorist organisation by Turkey, the EU and the US.
The only direct quote from Turkish officials is this:

"Turkish air forces jets efficiently hit the targets of the separatist terror organization in Zap and Gara regions between August 25-28 in 21 sorties," a statement on the army's website is quoted by the AFP news agency as saying.
Are you 9 years old Joe?

The qualification of the PKK been considered a terrorist organization by Turkey, the EU and the US is 2 lines at the end of an article that refers to them as rebels in the link, in the title and then repeatedly through the article.

There is a clear bias in this article against Turkey - a NATO member and ally we train with.
 
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Are you 9 years old Joe?

The qualification of the PKK been considered a terrorist organization by Turkey, the EU and the US is 2 lines at the end of an article that refers to them as rebels in the link, in the title and then repeatedly through the article.

There is a clear bias in this article against Turkey - a NATO member and ally we train with.
Yes, I am nine, but unlike you, do not still believe in Father Christmas, the Tooth Fairy, the Bogeyman, and other lies perpetuated by people we believe we can trust. Every time that article mentioned the word 'rebel' it seems clear that it was attributing the use of the word to unnamed Turkish officials.
 
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Yes, I am nine, but unlike you, do not still believe in Father Christmas, the Tooth Fairy, the Bogeyman, and other lies perpetuated by people we believe we can trust. Every time that article mentioned the word 'rebel' it seems clear that it was attributing the use of the word to unnamed Turkish officials.
Seemed clear? Hmmmm. Once again Joe

The only atributed quote to the turkish military refers to 'the separatist terror organization'
 
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Firstly, that is not strictly true.

Secondly, when you get to the big school, they will teach you about indirect quotes.
Ok, the quote was indirect, via the Associated Free Press (AFP).

So, who do we trust? Joe's 'seemed like' theory, or the Turkish Military website, quoted via the AFP, that describes the Kurdish PPK as 'the separatist terror organization'

(nice try joe)

p.s. I had previously ignored the 'indirect quote factor' for brevity and clarity, safe in the knowledge that should you want to pick up on such semantics you would be effortlessly bitch slapped back down into the stupid corner. Again.
 
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BBC News - Turkish airstrike campaign 'killed 160 Kurdish rebels'

WTF is the BBC calling these Terrorists Rebels for??!!

Attacking Turkey from the 'safe haven' created by Operation Iraqi Freedom...
What is the difference between a 'terrorist', a 'rebel', an 'insurgent' and a 'freedom fighter'?

All 4, and others, are happily bandied around to depict groups who have taken up arms against somebody else in their country - normally the government. The one that is used is a good giveaway as to where the writer's sympathies lay:
Terrorist - I'm wholly against their cause.
Freedom Fighter - I support their cause.
Rebel & insurgent: trying to be impartial because it's a complex situation.

You need to get off your high horse pp0470 and understand that not everybody shares your blinkered perceptions of the world.
 
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What is the difference between a 'terrorist', a 'rebel', an 'insurgent' and a 'freedom fighter'?

All 4, and others, are happily bandied around to depict groups who have taken up arms against somebody else in their country - normally the government. The one that is used is a good giveaway as to where the writer's sympathies lay:
Terrorist - I'm wholly against their cause.
Freedom Fighter - I support their cause.
Rebel & insurgent: trying to be impartial because it's a complex situation.

You need to get off your high horse pp0470 and understand that not everybody shares your blinkered perceptions of the world.
I'm not saying that everyone should agree with my view (if the PPK been a terrorist org is my view ;)).

I am saying that BBC journalist should not further their view by describing an organization as 'Rebels' when said org has been proscribed as a terrorist org by HMG, NATO, the EU, etc

p.s. Or, if we do accept this, can Irish republican attacks on HMG & her forces be described as 'rebel' attacks from now on please
 
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The terminology used by the BBC is often suspect.


They were so desperate to find political causes during our recent London disorder that they were using the words "protestors", instead of "looters" or "anarchistic criminals".


As disorder moved up north, by the time it had got to Manchester they had no "fighters for freedom from the oppression of the state" to justify it, so had to resort to the truth of the situation.

The base justifying word of "protest" had to be changed to describe the truth of gratuitous violence, burglary, theft and crime.

If they had reported such at the beginning, would there have been as much of a problem?

I don't think so. I think their biased reporting gave justification to the scum out there.


We have got to a position where we are letting even the media we pay for make the news, and influence events, not simply report it.
 
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The terminology used by the BBC is often suspect.

As disorder moved up north, by the time it had got to Manchester they had no "fighters for freedom from the oppression of the state" to justify it, so had to resort to the truth of the situation.
That's because when the riots reached Salford, the agreeable homes of BBC employees, subsidized by the licence payer were under threat.

And we can;t have than, can we? The move to Salford has to work.
 

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