Turkey still trying to join EU

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Turkey's prime minister Erdogan is visiting Europe, to press again for EU membership.

[video=youtube;yg_bo_QhgJI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg_bo_QhgJI[/video]




However, Turkey should NEVER be allowed to join the EU - for many reasons, and not just those regarding Cyprus as is commonly cited. These include:



The Sivas massacre

Regards the Salman Rushdie incident (the Satanic Verses), the worst demonstrations around the Islamic world were in Turkey!

In Sivas, forty Alevi intellectuals and poets - supporters of free speech - gathered to play music and read poetry. And the rabid Islamic Turkish mob burned them all to death. Yes, this is the moderate Turkey that Western politicians want to allow into Europe! The Turkey that burns you to death if you practice free speech and read poetry!


The Sivas Massacre:

[video=youtube;yMgmr6UuLe4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMgmr6UuLe4&feature=fvwrel[/video]



Oppression of Christians

This same Turkey still persecutes Christians, to this day. I know two Turks who have privately confessed to being Christian - but they made us swear not to tell anyone. Is this the Turkey we want in Europe?



Demographics

The population of Turkey has tripled in 30 years. They now have 20 people to man one petrol station, just to soak up the numbers. Can anyone comprehend the demographic flood that would engulf Europe, if Turkey joined the EU?



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OldSnowy

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Hmm, you are a teensy bit OTT, but all the things that you point out are factually correct. It's an odd country, to be sure, with a (nearly) european bit in the West, and then as you go east - by the time you get to Anatolia/Kurdistan, you may as well be in Afghanistan.

More importantly than persecuting people due tootheir religion (sadly, a common enough thing all over that part of the world), the Turkish govt has started pressuring those who make and sell alcohol, and those who dare to breed Pigs.

Any Govt that bans Bacon and Beer is pretty damn weird, IMHO. They aren't part of Europe, and should stop pretending otherwise.
 
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@Old Snowy,the Turks brew their own beer!

The one Country that is totally rabid about Turkey NOT being allowed into the EU is Germany,they´ve got 3 million of the bast*rds and of those about 1 million have been claiming dole since the Berlin Wall came down.
Be interesting to see the Turks and the Pakis killing each other over who should run the local Taxis though,nearly every large City´s Taxis have been taken over by Turks in Germany.
The USA has been campaigning for Turkish entry to the EU because they know that within a few short years that Europe will be on its knees.Just imagine the child benefit that each country would have to pay once they start knocking the snotters out to bump up their dole and social security payments.Even 3rd generation Turks hate the Germans though they educated them and have given them opportunities they could only dream of in Turkey.After 50 years of Turks here there is very little or no integration,Erdogan wants all Turks living here to speak fluent German with no accent but not to be able to integrate but to be able to increase their influence here and force local labour out,It´s like having a swarm of locusts that picks you to the bone once they´ve taken everything else off you.
There´s some good ones but they´re sadly in a very tiny minority.
 
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@Old Snowy,the Turks brew their own beer!

The one Country that is totally rabid about Turkey NOT being allowed into the EU is Germany,they´ve got 3 million of the bast*rds and of those about 1 million have been claiming dole since the Berlin Wall came down.
Be interesting to see the Turks and the Pakis killing each other over who should run the local Taxis though,nearly every large City´s Taxis have been taken over by Turks in Germany.
The USA has been campaigning for Turkish entry to the EU because they know that within a few short years that Europe will be on its knees.Just imagine the child benefit that each country would have to pay once they start knocking the snotters out to bump up their dole and social security payments.Even 3rd generation Turks hate the Germans though they educated them and have given them opportunities they could only dream of in Turkey.After 50 years of Turks here there is very little or no integration,Erdogan wants all Turks living here to speak fluent German with no accent but not to be able to integrate but to be able to increase their influence here and force local labour out,It´s like having a swarm of locusts that picks you to the bone once they´ve taken everything else off you.
There´s some good ones but they´re sadly in a very tiny minority.
Surely you and your fellow neo-nazis are the equal of a few Turkomen?
 
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trowel

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@Old Snowy,the Turks brew their own beer!

The one Country that is totally rabid about Turkey NOT being allowed into the EU is Germany,they´ve got 3 million of the bast*rds and of those about 1 million have been claiming dole since the Berlin Wall came down.
Be interesting to see the Turks and the Pakis killing each other over who should run the local Taxis though,nearly every large City´s Taxis have been taken over by Turks in Germany.
The USA has been campaigning for Turkish entry to the EU because they know that within a few short years that Europe will be on its knees.Just imagine the child benefit that each country would have to pay once they start knocking the snotters out to bump up their dole and social security payments.Even 3rd generation Turks hate the Germans though they educated them and have given them opportunities they could only dream of in Turkey.After 50 years of Turks here there is very little or no integration,Erdogan wants all Turks living here to speak fluent German with no accent but not to be able to integrate but to be able to increase their influence here and force local labour out,It´s like having a swarm of locusts that picks you to the bone once they´ve taken everything else off you.
There´s some good ones but they´re sadly in a very tiny minority.
Sadly you have just described the whole of Western Europe.
 

OldSnowy

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@Old Snowy,the Turks brew their own beer!

Err, that's the point. The Turkish Govt, via its Ministeries and machinery, is putting definite pressure on this (And I don't mean the fizzy in the Efes either). Frankly, all Lager Beer like that is piss, but it's the point of th ematter - they are being forced, slowly, to stop making it, as it is un-islamic.
 
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@Old Snowy,the Turks brew their own beer!

The one Country that is totally rabid about Turkey NOT being allowed into the EU is Germany,they´ve got 3 million of the bast*rds and of those about 1 million have been claiming dole since the Berlin Wall came down.
Be interesting to see the Turks and the Pakis killing each other over who should run the local Taxis though,nearly every large City´s Taxis have been taken over by Turks in Germany.
The USA has been campaigning for Turkish entry to the EU because they know that within a few short years that Europe will be on its knees.Just imagine the child benefit that each country would have to pay once they start knocking the snotters out to bump up their dole and social security payments.Even 3rd generation Turks hate the Germans though they educated them and have given them opportunities they could only dream of in Turkey.After 50 years of Turks here there is very little or no integration,Erdogan wants all Turks living here to speak fluent German with no accent but not to be able to integrate but to be able to increase their influence here and force local labour out,It´s like having a swarm of locusts that picks you to the bone once they´ve taken everything else off you.
There´s some good ones but they´re sadly in a very tiny minority.

Arbeit macht frei much?

 
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Hmm, you are a teensy bit OTT, but all the things that you point out are factually correct.
You are teetering on the verge of being a BBC or Grauniad reporter - where the truth is to be demonised and outlawed. Welcome to 1984 - sorry 2011.





It's an odd country, to be sure, with a (nearly) european bit in the West, and then as you go east - by the time you get to Anatolia/Kurdistan, you may as well be in Afghanistan.
Agreed.

It is a little known fact that as you drive from west to east across Turkey, you go back 1,400 years.


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#17
That dark beer EFES brew is very moreish.



If the Turks stop brewing beer, that's their tourist industry up the Swanee.


Buggered if most of us are going to sit on the beach drinking apple tea.
 

Alsacien

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Turkey will never be let into the EU and they know it. They are looking for a privileged trading partner status and this is a negotiating stance.
They probably deserve to be thrown a favour or two to keep them onside.

Coincidentally, a good friend of mine retired from the Turkish airforce with the equivalent rank of Major 3 years ago, he is a Christian and certainly did not need to keep it a secret.
 
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BBC NEWS - Friday 20 November 2009 said:
Profile: First EU President Herman van Rompuy

A veteran politician from Belgium's Flemish Christian Democrat party, he has been outspoken in the past in opposition to Turkey joining the EU. He warned it could dilute Europe's Christian heritage.

"Turkey is not a part of Europe and will never be part of Europe," he said as an opposition politician five years ago.

"The universal values which are in force in Europe, and which are fundamental values of Christianity, will lose vigour with the entry of a large Islamic country such as Turkey."

BBC News - Profile: First EU President Herman van Rompuy
Telegraph.co.uk - Friday 20 November 2009 said:
EU president: Herman Van Rompuy opposes Turkey joining.

The poetry-loving favourite to become the first president of Europe, Herman Van Rompuy, is also a hard-line opponent of Turkey's bid to join the European Union because it is an Islamic country.

Herman Van Rompuy, Belgium's Prime Minister, has in the past spoken out against Turkish EU membership because, he warned, it would dilute Europe's Christian heritage.

His position on the issue is so strong that he has won the support of Vlaams Belang, the controversial far-right Flemishh anti-immigrant party in Belgium.

Speaking five years ago, as an opposition politician, Mr Rompuy, a Christian Democrat, argued that Muslim Turkey could not be considered a candidate for EU membership.

"Turkey is not a part of Europe and will never be part of Europe. An expansion of the EU to include Turkey cannot be considered as just another expansion as in the past," he said.

"The universal values which are in force in Europe, and which are fundamental values of Christianity, will loose vigour with the entry of a large Islamic country such as Turkey."

Filip Dewinter, a Vlaams Belang leader, said: "We are entirely in agreement with Van Rompuy over this question and are convinced he will defend this point of view as President of the EU. It is for this reason we openly support him."

Mr Van Rompuy's opposition to Turkey is set to cement British and East European opposition to him during Thursday's summit dinner to appoint a President and Eu foreign minister.

EU president: Herman Van Rompuy opposes Turkey joining - Telegraph
Like the overlong wedding engagement, the EU:Turkey accession negotiations have given both parties time to realise that they are not suited to be, and are not, the ideal marriage partners. It is anticipated that Turkey will (eventually) decide it does not wish to join the EU.

Turkey should now be encouraged to accept its (secular) leadership responsibilities to Azerbaijan; and the similarly Turkic Central Asian states of Kazakhstan, Kyrgizia, Uzbekistan, Turkmenia and Tadzhikistan.

However, such has been the bad tempered, intolerant, and bad natured behaviour, demands and extraordinary expectations of the Turkish negotiators, that any and every reaction should be anticipated concerning Turkey’s future relationship with the EU and even Turkey’s membership of NATO.