Turkey / Libya crisis?

nikiti

Crow
whats going on with Turkey and Libya? what interest they have to support them? do they try to control east mediterranean sea?
 
AJ showing video of Erdogan announcing that Turkey will send troops to Libya. Next move goes to Greece.

E2A:

'Turkey will accept Libya's invitation and send troops to the country, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said Thursday. Speaking in Turkish capital Ankara during a meeting of his ruling AK Party, Erdoğan stated that he would present the bill to deploy troops to Libya when parliament re-opens in January.

'Erdoğan had paid a surprise visit to Tunisia on Wednesday to discuss cooperation for a possible ceasefire in neighbouring Libya, where Ankara supports the internationally recognised government. The visit comes after Turkey signed an accord with Libya's internationally recognised government last month that seeks to create an exclusive economic zone from Turkey's southern Mediterranean shore to Libya's northeast coast.

'Ankara says the deal aims to protect its rights under international law, and that it is open to signing similar deals with other states on the basis of "fair sharing" of resources.'


 
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If correct, this could be about to get very interesting, and not in a good way, introducing more jihadi factions into the conflict.

'The GNA said on Sunday that a video circulating online purportedly showing Syrian fighters deployed by Turkey in Libya were false. It claimed the recording, which shows a number of men in military fatigues beside a fence, was actually shot in the Syrian province of Idlib. Reuters could not independently verify the footage.'

 
The Ottomans rebooted...
 
Turkey crisis.
Package says cook for 2 and a half hours at 190.
After 2 hrs, it was already overcooked.
I may be able to salvage it.
Idiot child. Slow cook on a bed of chopped onion at around 120 - 140 deg C in a closed roasting dish with a little chicken stock in the bottom. Three to five hours should do it. Lid off at high heat for 15 minutes to crisp the skin.

Juices and onion left in the pan make excellent gravy.
 
It's worth noting that, while Iraq/Iran gets our attention, things are developing quickly in Libya.
Turkish soldiers and Syrian National Army (Turkish - supported Syrian Jihadis) are now in Libya. Turkey is backing the UN-recognised government in Libya but the presence of Turkish/Syrian fighters has helped unite the opposition to the government. In addition, Egypt, Israel, Greece, UAE, and KSA are reportedly very concerned about the Turkish interest in Libya.
Yesterday, opposition aircraft attacked an airport in Tripoli being used as a base for Turkish UAV, and also a Libyan government military academy. There were c. 30 deaths at the latter location.
Egypt conducted naval exercises yesterday. See tweet below for details:



Also yesterday, the first death of a Syrian Jihadi in Libya was reported. Turkey is paying SNA fighters $2k a month to fight in Libya.

Lastly, the LNA (opposition) Parliament in Tobruk has voted against Turkish intervention in Libya:


There is some potential here for escalation.
 
It's worth noting that, while Iraq/Iran gets our attention, things are developing quickly in Libya.
Turkish soldiers and Syrian National Army (Turkish - supported Syrian Jihadis) are now in Libya. Turkey is backing the UN-recognised government in Libya but the presence of Turkish/Syrian fighters has helped unite the opposition to the government. In addition, Egypt, Israel, Greece, UAE, and KSA are reportedly very concerned about the Turkish interest in Libya.
Yesterday, opposition aircraft attacked an airport in Tripoli being used as a base for Turkish UAV, and also a Libyan government military academy. There were c. 30 deaths at the latter location.
Egypt conducted naval exercises yesterday. See tweet below for details:



Also yesterday, the first death of a Syrian Jihadi in Libya was reported. Turkey is paying SNA fighters $2k a month to fight in Libya.

Lastly, the LNA (opposition) Parliament in Tobruk has voted against Turkish intervention in Libya:


There is some potential here for escalation.
See post 7 above. As with many things in the MENA, this could once again be described as being all about the oil, with the Turkish/Libyan stitch-up of the E Med as Turkish ships continue their survey work around Cyprus.
 
See post 7 above. As with many things in the MENA, this could once again be described as being all about the oil, with the Turkish/Libyan stitch-up of the E Med as Turkish ships continue their survey work around Cyprus.
I didn't know about there possibly being oil in Cypriot waters. Great!
Erdoğan concerns me more than Iran tbh. He is reckless.
 

Yokel

LE
What are the implications for the free movement of shipping in the Mediterranean - including oil shipping heading to/from the Suez canal? So in different corners we have Turkey and Libya, and Green and Egypt. This sounds like it has great potential for mayhem.

Add to that Russian efforts in the Mediterranean....

Interesting to see Egypt conducting flying operations from the LHD. Do Egypt and Turkey see each other as rivals?
 

morsk

LE
whats going on with Turkey and Libya? what interest they have to support them? do they try to control east mediterranean sea?
Oh good. Another "in your own time, carry on" flidamide
 
Another reason for Erdogan angst with the EU, as if they effectively do the job they're supposedly being authorised for, lots of kit with Turkish fingerprints on it should be interdicted. Although, given that it's currently only an agreement in principle, there should be more than enough time for decisive action before any EU mission-flagged ship ever leaves port. It's all just window-dressing anyway, as arms can just be unloaded in Egypt and trucked across the border.

'EU states have agreed to launch a new military mission off the Libyan coast to enforce a shaky UN arms embargo. The 27 governments still have to draft a legal text for the mission, after agreeing it in principle in Brussels.

'The EU's new naval and air mission is to operate in the eastern Mediterranean, away from the migrant-smuggling routes from Libya which have caused bitter divisions in the EU.

'EU foreign affairs chief Josep Borrell said the EU would not be able to patrol the Egypt-Libya land border, across which artillery is still being supplied to Gen Haftar's forces.'


 
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Another reason for Erdogan angst with the EU, as if they effectively do the job they're supposedly being authorised for, lots of kit with Turkish fingerprints on it should be interdicted. Although, given that it's currently only an agreement in principle, there should be more than enough time for decisive action before any EU mission-flagged ship ever leaves port. It's all just window-dressing anyway, as arms can just be unloaded in Egypt and trucked across the border.

'EU states have agreed to launch a new military mission off the Libyan coast to enforce a shaky UN arms embargo. The 27 governments still have to draft a legal text for the mission, after agreeing it in principle in Brussels.

'The EU's new naval and air mission is to operate in the eastern Mediterranean, away from the migrant-smuggling routes from Libya which have caused bitter divisions in the EU.

'EU foreign affairs chief Josep Borrell said the EU would not be able to patrol the Egypt-Libya land border, across which artillery is still being supplied to Gen Haftar's forces.'


It is within your link @SkippedOnce , and explains the situation . . .

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miner69er

Old-Salt
Its all part of the Arabic 30 year war. Europe had it in the 1600's:
Initially a war between various Protestant and Catholic states in the fragmented Holy Roman Empire, it gradually developed into a more general conflict involving most of the European great powers. These states employed relatively large mercenary armies, and the war became less about religion and more of a continuation of the France–Habsburg rivalry for European political pre-eminence and a Habsburg attempt to rebuild the imperial authority in Germany.[17]
its twixt Sunni and Shia - Iran v Saudi with bit players on either side. Note that neither Saudi or Iran has any battles on their land. Same with France and the Marios'. Winner gets to say they have a direct line to Allah!
 

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