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I blame the Treaty of Lausanne.
Perhaps if President Wilson hadn’t had a stroke and congress had supported the US Mandate for both Armenia and Kurdistan in 1919, as agreed in the Treaty of Sevres, we wouldn’t be in this situation.
 
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Perhaps if President Wilson hadn’t had a stroke and congress had supported the US Mandate for both Armenia and Kurdistan in 1919, as agreed in the Treaty of Sevres, we wouldn’t be in this situation.
Exactly. Except Sevres was 1920 and Lausanne certainly had nothing to do with Ataturk and the Russians going their own way, innit?
 
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Turkey says Trump working on extraditing wanted cleric Gulen | Reuters
According to Turkey’s ForMin it looks like Trump may be talking with Ergogan to get Gulen and others returned to Turkey. Gulen is who Erdogan blames for the failed coup (which Gulen denies) and has led to thousands being arrested as ‘Gulenists’:
“In Argentina, Trump told Erdogan they were working on extraditing (Fethullah) Gulen and other people,” Mevlut Cavusoglu said, referring to the G20 summit where the leaders met two weeks ago.

Turkey has long sought the extradition of Gulen, who has lived in self-imposed U.S. exile for nearly two decades. A former ally of Erdogan, he is blamed by Turkish authorities for the failed coup when rogue soldiers commandeered tanks and helicopters, attacked parliament and shot unarmed civilians.

Gulen denies any involvement in the failed putsch. Trump said last month he was not considering extraditing the preacher as part of efforts to ease Turkish pressure on Saudi Arabia over the killing of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul.
The ForMin also says he’s seen a FBI report into how Gulen’s organisations avoid paying taxes:

Erdogan said last week Turkey would start new initiatives abroad to target the financing of Gulen supporters.
“I have recently seen a credible probe by the FBI on how the Gulen organization avoids taxes,” Cavusoglu told a conference in Doha.
No comment from the White House but a Democrat Representative thinks it’s playing off the Khashoggi murder:
U.S. Representative Bill Pascrell, a Democrat, said that reports Trump was considering extraditing Gulen show his “affinity for strongmen.”
“Mr. Gulen does not deserve to be a pawn in Trump’s attempts to cover up the murder of a U.S. resident for the increasingly lawless Saudi royal family,” Pascrell said in a statement.
 
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Turkey says Trump working on extraditing wanted cleric Gulen | Reuters
According to Turkey’s ForMin it looks like Trump may be talking with Ergogan to get Gulen and others returned to Turkey. Gulen is who Erdogan blames for the failed coup (which Gulen denies) and has led to thousands being arrested as ‘Gulenists’:

The ForMin also says he’s seen a FBI report into how Gulen’s organisations avoid paying taxes:


No comment from the White House but a Democrat Representative thinks it’s playing off the Khashoggi murder:
It looks like Turkey is about to establish a third toehold in NE Syria this time, with Op Euphrates Fountain, where they run the risk of not only fighting US-equipped YPG, but US Forces proper. What could go wrong?

Stirring words from Erdogan:

PKK/PYD terrorists in Syria will be buried in trenches they dig: Erdoğan

Meanwhile, it’s unspecified great powers trying to finish off Turkey as per World War I, with journalists citing the great victory of Çanakkale and Kut. But he neglects to mention the many defeats they suffered...and that the Ottans lost their empire.

https://m.yenisafak.com/columns/ibrahimkaragul/the-intervention-east-of-the-euphrates-is-a-national-struggle-it-is-the-battle-of-canakkale-the-turkey-ottoman-and-seljuk-minds-have-taken-action-for-the-first-time-2046820
 
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It looks like Turkey is about to establish a third toehold in NE Syria this time, with Op Euphrates Fountain, where they run the risk of not only fighting US-equipped YPG, but US Forces proper. What could go wrong?

Stirring words from Erdogan:

PKK/PYD terrorists in Syria will be buried in trenches they dig: Erdoğan

Meanwhile, it’s unspecified great powers trying to finish off Turkey as per World War I, with journalists citing the great victory of Çanakkale and Kut. But he neglects to mention the many defeats they suffered...and that the Ottans lost their empire.

https://m.yenisafak.com/columns/ibrahimkaragul/the-intervention-east-of-the-euphrates-is-a-national-struggle-it-is-the-battle-of-canakkale-the-turkey-ottoman-and-seljuk-minds-have-taken-action-for-the-first-time-2046820
An interesting commentary, given the source.

'Arab hatred of Turkey is so extreme that the last thing the Arab states wish to see is the return of the Ottoman Empire whose police tortured and killed them without mercy. This can and should lead to strange alliances.

'Anyone following Turkish media cannot help seeing the long lines of military transport vehicles – tanks, artillery, troop carriers and auxiliary vehicles – making their way south towards the Turkish-Syrian border. The Turks have no plans to attack Syria – their objective is to nip in the bud Syrian Kurd aspirations to establish an autonomous entity south of the border, the region in which the Kurds reside. This is not the first time Turkey has invaded the region northeast of Aleppo, Syria. Two years ago, Turkey conquered the border city of Jarablus in order to break the westward contiguity the Kurds had attempted to create in order to have direct access to the Mediterranean Sea.'

The Turks are coming – to Syria
 
Oh dear, he seems a bit agitated. With friends like these...

'We have faith in the "Turkey axis." We have faith in the development of a common, independent political language in every corner of the Muslim world, in every street of the region, and the rise of a new history. US, UK, Israel or China: We will not sacrifice this country!'

Bolton, this country won't fall for your map! Let this be the last of your distraction tactics. We have faith in the 'Turkey axis.' An intervention east of Euphrates River in Syria is mandatory - İBRAHIM KARAGÜL

From WIKI; 'In the beginning, Yeni Şafak was known for harboring both liberal and Islamist columnists. Yeni Şafak was acquired by Albayrak Holding in 1997, which had close ties with then mayor of Istanbul, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. After İbrahim Karagül became the editor-in-chief of Yeni Şafak, the newspaper became a hardline supporter of then prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.[2] More Islamist columnists were employed, while liberals like Kürşat Bumin were fired from the newspaper because of their critical views of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and the AK '

Yeni Şafak - Wikipedia
 
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Oh dear, he seems a bit agitated. With friends like these...

'We have faith in the "Turkey axis." We have faith in the development of a common, independent political language in every corner of the Muslim world, in every street of the region, and the rise of a new history. US, UK, Israel or China: We will not sacrifice this country!'

Bolton, this country won't fall for your map! Let this be the last of your distraction tactics. We have faith in the 'Turkey axis.' An intervention east of Euphrates River in Syria is mandatory - İBRAHIM KARAGÜL

From WIKI; 'In the beginning, Yeni Şafak was known for harboring both liberal and Islamist columnists. Yeni Şafak was acquired by Albayrak Holding in 1997, which had close ties with then mayor of Istanbul, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. After İbrahim Karagül became the editor-in-chief of Yeni Şafak, the newspaper became a hardline supporter of then prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.[2] More Islamist columnists were employed, while liberals like Kürşat Bumin were fired from the newspaper because of their critical views of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and the AK '

Yeni Şafak - Wikipedia
Yeni Safak, like Daily Sabah, is one of the more moderate 'pro government' media outlets - there are some really, really bonkers ones. Hurriyet Daily News is still relatively independent; Al- Monitor online magazine is very good, as it is published outside of Turkey - as do the journalists.

Erdogan cold-shouldered John Bolton (who is a nasty piece of work, by the way) but that won't go well with Trump. Bolton spoke mainly to Ibrihim Kalin, the 'presidential spokesman', but in reality a Svengali-like de facto National Security Advisor. This reception wasn't helped by Pompeo saying that Turkey would slaughter the Kurds in Syria; whatever Turkey's faults are (and there are many) the government and the population are able to distinguish between the murderous activities of the PKK (and their sister organisation in Syria,the YPG) and the wider Kurdish population. As I have pointed out before, most Kurds vote for Erdogan and do not vote for the pro Kurdish HDP. And for the hard of thinking, the PKK are a proscribed terrorist organisation around the world (except, notably, Russia, where the PKK maintain an office, and have done since Communist times).

Last week Erdogan sacked Gen Metin Temel, Commander 2nd Army (who look after Syria and Iraq); he has been pro-Erdogan but has expressed concerns about taking on both the YPG and Daesk in the MERV.

Gen Dunsford is there today, I understand, to talk of modalities in NE Syria - but also to discuss Turkish proposals to take delivery of the S-400 A2AD system and re-affirm the US offer of Patriot systems.

The next week should be interesting.
 
Indeed it will. The F-35 issue still seems to be in the balance...and one cannot help feeling that it possibly remains tied to the S-400 deal.

Meanwhile the S-400 deal would seem to be pretty well tied up.
 
Stand with your NATO allies on Venezuela, or ...

'Turkey, Russia and China defended Maduro on Thursday, in sharp contrast to the U.S. declaration. "We are with you," Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan told Maduro in a phone call. "Stay strong, we are by your side. As a country that believes in democracy ... wherever in the world there is a coup attempt, we stand against them all without distinction. Everyone has to respect the result of the ballot boxes." '

Read more: U.S. orders non-emergency embassy employees out of Venezuela
 
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The relationship between Turkey and Venezuela is a bit more complex than simply rubbing other countries noses in it. Turkey gets cheap oil from Venezuela (having virtually no hydrocarbons of its own) and has been shifting some of the remaining Venezuela gold reserves. But Erdogan will enjoy touting himself globally and standing up to the likes of the US.
 

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The relationship between Turkey and Venezuela is a bit more complex than simply rubbing other countries noses in it. Turkey gets cheap oil from Venezuela (having virtually no hydrocarbons of its own) and has been shifting some of the remaining Venezuela gold reserves. But Erdogan will enjoy touting himself globally and standing up to the likes of the US.
Trading links would not necessarily be broken by getting a new man in charge, of course. It is easier and cheaper to a carry on trading with the same partner than to find a new market.

However, many trade deals, especially those with state-controlled industries and firms, are political in nature rather than commercial. Trading with the 'right people' is an essential part of global diplomacy. Thus, Erdogan may be concerned that Venezuela might look elsewhere for a trading partner because the current deal owes more to politics (and, one shudders to mention, bribery and corruption) than to strict commercial sense.
 
Turkey orders 1,112 arrested over links to cleric Gulen - state media | Reuters
Another 1.112 to be arrested. 124 reportedly so far. This relates to a Police Deputy Inspector exam in 2010 and allegedly the answers to the questions were circulated:
Turkey launched on Tuesday one of its largest operations against alleged supporters of the U.S.-based Muslim cleric accused of leading an attempted coup in 2016, ordering the arrest of 1,112 people, state media reported.

The operation, related to alleged cheating in police examinations, showed authorities were not letting up on their crackdown two-and-a-half years after rogue soldiers used warplanes, helicopters and tanks in a bid to seize power.
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Tuesday’s operation related to a police force examination in 2010 for those seeking to become deputy inspectors, and allegations that some of those taking part had received the questions in advance, state-owned Anadolu news agency reported.

So far 124 suspects have been detained in the operation launched by the Ankara chief prosecutor’s office and extending across 76 provinces, Anadolu said. It was not clear how many, if any, of the suspects were serving police officers.
Apparently a bigger operation is looming against 'Gulen supporters', with allegedly his supporters infiltrating state institutions for decades helped by 'cheating in exams' to create a 'parallel state':
Interior Minister Suleyman Soylu said on Sunday a “big operation” was looming against Gulen supporters. “Devils would not perpetrate deceptions like they have,” he said. “We will finish them off.”

The government says his network over decades infiltrated state institutions including the security forces, judiciary and ministries, often helped by cheating in exams, to create a “parallel state”.
Reportedly, more than 77,000 people have been jailed since the failed coup, 150,000 civil servants and mil personnel suspended or sacked with 15,000 mil personnel dismissed including 150 Generals and Admirals. The State is also reported to have taken control of hundreds of firms accused of links to Gulen and his supporters along with shutting down 130 media outlets:
More than 77,000 people have been jailed pending trial since the putsch and widespread arrests are still routine. Authorities have suspended or sacked 150,000 civil servants and military personnel.

Defence Minister Hulusi Akar, the former chief of staff, has said more than 15,000 military personnel had been dismissed since the coup, including 150 generals and admirals.

Authorities have also taken control of hundreds of firms accused of links to Gulen and his supporters, and shut down more than 130 media outlets as part of the purge.

Ankara has also increasingly targeted alleged supporters of the movement abroad, seeking the extradition of Gulen himself and many others across Europe, Asia and the United States.
 

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