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Turkey - a real turkey?

Hopefully this is just some more yellow journalism and won't come to pass however, if it does, perhaps it will be the final straw that causes Europe to re-evaluate its relationship with the regime of Sultan Erdogan.

'Egypt’s President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi warned PM Kyriakos Mitsotakis last week that Turkey may dispatch jihadists to Greece to destabilize the country, a report in Greek daily Ta Nea reveals.

'According to the report, Cairo’s concern was expressed in the 8th Tripartite Cyprus-Greece-Egypt Summit held in Nicosia last Wednesday.

'The Egyptian president’s concern is not only about Ankara’s involvement in all regional conflicts, but especially about the way Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan “now engages and openly uses the Islamic factor.”

'In this context, the Egyptian president warned “of a wave of terrorists in Greece in the future”.

'In public statements after the meeting Al Sisi avoided referring directly to Turkey. But, he stressed the need to address tensions in the eastern Mediterranean and keep an eye on “countries that equip and finance terrorism.”

'He also said that his country “does not use the issue of immigration to blackmail its partners in Europe as other countries do,” in a direct reference to Turkey.'


 
Making enemies of friends and influencing enemies.

Its Erdogan’s new topsy turvy foreign policy that is doing so well, in his mind, if no-one else's.
 
Making enemies of friends and influencing enemies.

Its Erdogan’s new topsy turvy foreign policy that is doing so well, in his mind, if no-one else's.
Turkey and The West

I am not sure if Turkey EVER considered “The West”, NATO, the EU . . . as a “friend” !!

As far back as I can remember, I have been suspicious of, and cynical about, Turkey’s motives – under whatever, whichever, earlier regime - of APPARENTLY embracing secular (non-religious), “western” values.

Previously Erdogan may not have been so overtly nationalistic and pro-Muslim . . . which seems to have been sufficient to allow those who deliberately wished to be misled, to be so disillusioned.

However, the EU having recently been forced to both, re-appraise Turkey’s behaviour and motives; and, to re-consider Turkey’s application to join the EU; has lifted the “veil” of Turkey’s deceit.

Such belated appreciation, and (thankfully) public realisation by the EU, has persuaded, allowed, Erdogan to abandon any pretence of civility . . . and, show his “true colours”.

Erdogan’s long-held ambitions and motives are now visible for all to see as incompatible with the “western” institutions he (previously) wanted to infiltrate and subvert . . . something that he is now doing OPENLY, with such brazen enthusiasm and satisfaction.
 
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And in the background Turkey still are one of the NATO lead nations in Afghanistan. But when you drive around in white armoured 4x4's all day ensuring Turkish "interests" are at the forefront and when base exercises are on the only thing to come out of the Turkish mil is "when we getting fed?" then you know its good to see them on your side!
 
The reaction, both by the USA and Turkey, if anything untoward occurs, could be a bit of a game-changer for diplomatic and security relations.

'The U.S. mission in Turkey warned Americans of "potential terrorist attacks and kidnappings" in Istanbul Friday in an urgent security alert.

'The warning, which said U.S. citizens and other foreigners could be targeted, comes after U.S. forces warned of a threat from al Qaeda in Syria. The alert said specifically that the U.S. consulate general in Istanbul was threatened, but it did not provide details on where the threats come from or who provided the reports. As a precaution, all U.S. diplomatic facilities are closed to the public, including for American citizens, the alert said.

'The alert was "a result of our ongoing assessment of security conditions," an embassy spokesperson told ABC News. "We are grateful for the support of the Turkish government in ensuring the safety of Americans living in Turkey as well as Turkish citizens who visit our Embassy and Consulates." While the embassy and State Department declined to provide more details, the U.S. has recently increased its air strikes against al Qaeda operatives in neighboring Syria.

'A meeting of senior al Qaeda leaders was targeted by U.S. forces on Thursday, U.S. Central Command said in a statement. "AQ-S takes advantage of the instability in northwest Syria to establish and maintain safe havens to coordinate terrorist activities," CENTCOM warned. U.S. officials have been warning about the strength of Islamist forces in Idlib province, the last rebel stronghold in Syria after nearly a decade of war. Syrian opposition forces continue to beat back an assault by strongman Bashar al Assad with support from Turkey and its military, but some of those fighters include hard-line jihadists.

'As the fight against ISIS continues, the U.S. military has increasingly turned to targeting al Qaeda-linked operatives, too -- with Thursday's strike the second in as many weeks.'


 
No doubt the sultan will be making some histrionic statement about Gallipoli in reply.

'Britain flexed its naval muscles in its largest deployment off Cyprus in decades, to make its presence felt in the volatile region and underscore what officials said was the country’s post-Brexit commitment to buttressing Europe’s security.

'A three-ship strike force centered around the Royal Navy’s flagship HMS Albion on Tuesday conducted joint maneuvers with a Cypriot patrol vessel and helicopters and the French frigate Jean Bart off the coastal town of Limassol.

'The main part of the exercise involved Cypriot special forces and British Royal Marines boarding a supposedly hijacked ship by fast-roping down from hovering helicopters while small, highly maneuverable speed boats came alongside the vessel.

“This is the U.K. doing its part to prove our commitment to European safety and security whilst working with our NATO allies and partners,” Deputy Strike Force Commander Capt. Phil Dennis told the Associated Press.

'British military officials said the joint training with Cypriot forces also illustrated a joint commitment to regional stability and a determination to further strengthen a bilateral defense relationship.'


 
No doubt the sultan will be making some histrionic statement about Gallipoli in reply.

'Britain flexed its naval muscles in its largest deployment off Cyprus in decades, to make its presence felt in the volatile region and underscore what officials said was the country’s post-Brexit commitment to buttressing Europe’s security.

'A three-ship strike force centered around the Royal Navy’s flagship HMS Albion on Tuesday conducted joint maneuvers with a Cypriot patrol vessel and helicopters and the French frigate Jean Bart off the coastal town of Limassol.

'The main part of the exercise involved Cypriot special forces and British Royal Marines boarding a supposedly hijacked ship by fast-roping down from hovering helicopters while small, highly maneuverable speed boats came alongside the vessel.

“This is the U.K. doing its part to prove our commitment to European safety and security whilst working with our NATO allies and partners,” Deputy Strike Force Commander Capt. Phil Dennis told the Associated Press.

'British military officials said the joint training with Cypriot forces also illustrated a joint commitment to regional stability and a determination to further strengthen a bilateral defense relationship.'


Random question, with the QE class now "in service" why is Albion still the flagship?
 
I see they've made the Frogs all foot stampy now

Groovy a good old fashioned 19th century precursor to war...

Who does NATO support in a war between two members? how do we determine the aggressor and aggressee.

So Francois how about those fish, a working Carrier and a regional airbase... let's talk...
 
Maybe it is time der Turkisher gastarbeiter in Deutschland and their equivelents in other Western European countries are told their presence is no longer conducive to the public wellbeing, and they are to pack their bags and avail themselves to the next one way flight to Istanbul or other Turkish destinations.

A few million expat Turks returning with no jobs to go to may give Erdogan pause for thought.

Expat Turks have for decades been involved in all sorts of crime in western Europe, so their loss should be welcomed.
 
Qatar, which owns the PSG football club, calls for a boycott of French products....how does it work then ? Especially since they will play against a TUR club tonight !!!


Interesting as Qatar have just taken delivery of 24 Rafales.

No spares, or training support should ground them in short order.
 
Groovy a good old fashioned 19th century precursor to war...

Who does NATO support in a war between two members? how do we determine the aggressor and aggressee.

So Francois how about those fish, a working Carrier and a regional airbase... let's talk...

Greece and France will be on the same side, so Turkey will be in the cold.

Time to hit Turkey economically. Their flag carrier, Turk Hava Yollari, to give their full name in Turkish could be hit with an airspace ban in Europe, instantly hitting them in the pocket.
 
Turkey appears so emboldened now, that it can dictate diplomatic efforts to the USA.

'Turkey said early on Monday that the United States needed to return to a neutral stance on Cyprus, after Washington and Nicosia signed a memorandum of understanding to create a training centre.

'Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said earlier this month that the United States would lift a 33-year arms embargo on Cyprus and deepen its security cooperation with Nicosia. During a visit to Cyprus, Pompeo said on Saturday that Washington remained “deeply concerned” about Turkey’s actions in the eastern Mediterranean, where it is at a standoff with Greece and Cyprus over maritime areas thought to be rich in natural gas.

“The memorandum of understanding will not serve peace and stability in the eastern Mediterranean and will damage the solution of the Cyprus problem,” Turkey’s Foreign Ministry said. It added that the recent steps by the United States increased the tensions in the eastern Mediterranean. “We invite the U.S. to return to the neutrality policy it traditionally follows on the island of Cyprus and to contribute to the efforts aimed at the solution of the Cyprus issue,” the ministry said.'



As posted elsewhere on ARRSE, Pompeo has authorised delivery of some of the embargoed Turkish Air Force F-35s to the Elleniki Polmiki Aeroporia-Greek Air Force.

Erdogan will not be best pleasd.
 
As posted elsewhere on ARRSE, Pompeo has authorised delivery of some of the embargoed Turkish Air Force F-35s to the Elleniki Polmiki Aeroporia-Greek Air Force.

Erdogan will not be best pleasd.

Hardly a surprise though: Greece has been in the programme since January 2020, and LM has some airframes available that will no longer be delivered to the original customer (Turkey), so why not.

From 9 Jan 20 - 'Defense Minister, Nikos Panagiotopoulos, revealed Greece’s armament plans following the official visit of Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis to the White House. Greece plans to acquire 24 F-35 aircraft at a total cost of 3 billion USD including the infrastructure, proceed with the upgrade of 82 F-16 and possible purchase war ships and war material,Panagiotopoulos revealed. He added that there will be negotiations between the US Pentagon and the Greek side about the acquisition of war ships.'

 

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