Turkey - a real turkey?

I haven't seen mention of the presence of the French LPH in the area previously.

'On Thursday, Greek media reported that two French Rafale jets flew over the Oruc Reis and its Turkish navy escorts, as they participated in joint exercises with the Hellenic Navy.

'Two French vessels, the frigate La Fayette and helicopter carrier Tonnerre, took part in the drills alongside four Greek frigates: Spetsai, Aegean, Koundouriotis and Limnos.

'Limnos was the ship reportedly involved in a collision with the Turkish navy frigate Kemal Reis – one of Oruc Reis’s military escorts – on Wednesday morning. Greek media reported that the clash left several Greek sailors injured, but rendered the Turkish vessel “inoperable,” which Ankara denied.'


Just good timing as Tonnerre is on its way to Beirut with an HADR mission.

Edit: Tonnerre has now docked in Beirut.

 
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Until last year he was their Ambassador to the US, so stll plugged into the mood music of both I'd assume.

Also..


Anyone know the expiry date on SCALPs bought circa 2000?
 
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Greece asked for santions against Turkey at the EU summit.

Germany, Spain and Italy all vetoed. Few others as well. Greece therefore vetoed their foot stomping statement on Belarus.

Not related entirely but 11 abstains in the security council to renewing weapons sanctions against Iran. China didn't even have to veto, unusually.

It really seems that the international clubs are fractured and fundamentally useless at the moment.

SCALP = froggie cruise missiles, similar to Storm Shadow.
 

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Think more tomahawk equivalent.

They bought lots, and have only fired a few at goats and their admirers in Syria.
 
Greek 'Army Voice' seems to be one of the more strident outlets, aiding Russian media efforts to keep stoking the tension between the two NATO 'allies'.

'Turkish submarines have intensified operations off the Greek coast in the Aegean Sea, with one of them reaching an area near the Cape of Sounion, a major tourist hotspot about 50 km southeast of Athens, Greek defence publication Army Voice has reported.

'According to unconfirmed reports cited by the outlet, a Greek military helicopter spotted a Turkish Type 209 submarine as it crossed the Kafirea Strait between the islands of Evia and Andros, and approached the Attica peninsula. That incident reportedly resulted in an emergency operation by the Air Force to comb the Aegean Sea with airborne anti-submarine sonars.

'Another Turkish sub was reportedly spotted west of Rhodes by a Greek frigate, and one more in the Karpathos island area.'


 
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Published by: the DAILY SABAH, ISTANBUL, on 19 August 2020.

Japan registers designs of Turkey’s 1st national car . . .

Japan's chief patent institution has registered the designs of Turkey’s first domestically produced car by the Automobile Joint Venture Group (TOGG), a consortium of five major Turkish companies working on the manufacture of the country’s first national automobile.


Japan Patent Office (JPO) has registered TOGG’s sports utility vehicle (SUV) and sedan designs, the consortium said Tuesday on Twitter.

The decision follows similar moves by the European Union and China. The interior and exterior designs of TOGG’s automobiles were registered by the EU's Intellectual Property Office (EUIPO) in April.

The industrial property rights provided by EUIPO will remain valid until February 2029 – 10 years after the trademark is granted – but could be extended upon application by TOGG.

China’s Patent Authority in June accepted TOGG’s design registration application for the SUV and sedan designs.

Meanwhile, TOGG’s design registration applications in the U.S., India and South Korea are still pending approval and expected to be finalized in 2020.

Turkey’s long journey to produce a fully Turkish-made car came to an end on Dec. 27 after it unveiled prototypes of the first fully domestically produced automobile.

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan unveiled the prototypes of an SUV and sedan, both fully electric and C-segment models. Mass production of the SUV will begin in 2022, with the sedan to follow. TOGG will produce five different models – an SUV, sedan, C-hatchback, B-SUV and B-MPV – until 2030, and own the intellectual and industrial property rights to each.

Turkey last month held a groundbreaking ceremony for the construction of the domestic car plant to be built in northwestern Bursa province.

The national car project will see a fixed investment of over TL 22 billion (nearly $3 billion), and the factory will start mass production in 2022 with an annual capacity of 175,000 units.

In June 2018, five industrial giants – the Anadolu Group, BMC, Kök Group, Turkcell and Zorlu Holding as well as an umbrella organization, the Union of Chambers and Commodity Exchanges of Turkey (TOBB) – joined hands to create the TOGG.

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Can barely imagine a worse time to be entering the car market...
 
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Published by: the DAILY SABAH, ISTANBUL, on 19 August 2020.

Japan registers designs of Turkey’s 1st national car . . .

Japan's chief patent institution has registered the designs of Turkey’s first domestically produced car by the Automobile Joint Venture Group (TOGG), a consortium of five major Turkish companies working on the manufacture of the country’s first national automobile.


Japan Patent Office (JPO) has registered TOGG’s sports utility vehicle (SUV) and sedan designs, the consortium said Tuesday on Twitter.

The decision follows similar moves by the European Union and China. The interior and exterior designs of TOGG’s automobiles were registered by the EU's Intellectual Property Office (EUIPO) in April.

The industrial property rights provided by EUIPO will remain valid until February 2029 – 10 years after the trademark is granted – but could be extended upon application by TOGG.

China’s Patent Authority in June accepted TOGG’s design registration application for the SUV and sedan designs.

Meanwhile, TOGG’s design registration applications in the U.S., India and South Korea are still pending approval and expected to be finalized in 2020.

Turkey’s long journey to produce a fully Turkish-made car came to an end on Dec. 27 after it unveiled prototypes of the first fully domestically produced automobile.

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan unveiled the prototypes of an SUV and sedan, both fully electric and C-segment models. Mass production of the SUV will begin in 2022, with the sedan to follow. TOGG will produce five different models – an SUV, sedan, C-hatchback, B-SUV and B-MPV – until 2030, and own the intellectual and industrial property rights to each.

Turkey last month held a groundbreaking ceremony for the construction of the domestic car plant to be built in northwestern Bursa province.

The national car project will see a fixed investment of over TL 22 billion (nearly $3 billion), and the factory will start mass production in 2022 with an annual capacity of 175,000 units.

In June 2018, five industrial giants – the Anadolu Group, BMC, Kök Group, Turkcell and Zorlu Holding as well as an umbrella organization, the Union of Chambers and Commodity Exchanges of Turkey (TOBB) – joined hands to create the TOGG.

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A TOGG; is that a cross between a dog and a turkey?
 
Erdoğan can't help himself:


I visited Chora during my last trip to Istanbul. I made the mistake of walking there from my hotel - it took me hours, but an interesting walk nonetheless. It's a stunning Byzantium church now museum and soon to be mosque.

 
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'Greece said Monday that it will conduct a navy and air force exercise in an area of the eastern Mediterranean where Turkey is prospecting for oil and gas in an area as the neighboring countries remain locked in a dispute over offshore energy rights.

'Authorities said t the live-fire exercises would start Tuesday southeast of the Greek island of Crete and end Thursday.'


 
Greece apparently doing a trial run for some lawfare.

'Greece plans to extend the size of its territorial waters along its western coastline in the Ionian Sea from six nautical miles to 12, Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis said Wednesday in what appears to be a test run for a similar move on its Turkey-facing east.

'Mitsotakis said that Albania and Italy have already been notified and a bill on the issue will soon be submitted to the Greek parliament for ratification.

'Although the extension does not directly impact the dispute between Greece and Turkey, Mitsotakis said Athens could extend its waters in other directions. Turkey has repeatedly warned that a similar move along Greece's eastern coastline would be a casus belli — a justification for war.

'The relationship between Athens and Ankara is at its lowest point in more than two decades.'


 
Greece apparently doing a trial run for some lawfare.

'Greece plans to extend the size of its territorial waters along its western coastline in the Ionian Sea from six nautical miles to 12, Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis said Wednesday in what appears to be a test run for a similar move on its Turkey-facing east.

'Mitsotakis said that Albania and Italy have already been notified and a bill on the issue will soon be submitted to the Greek parliament for ratification.

'Although the extension does not directly impact the dispute between Greece and Turkey, Mitsotakis said Athens could extend its waters in other directions. Turkey has repeatedly warned that a similar move along Greece's eastern coastline would be a casus belli — a justification for war.

'The relationship between Athens and Ankara is at its lowest point in more than two decades.'


I really wouldn't do that, Greece. You will get no international recognition nor support.
 
Greece apparently doing a trial run for some lawfare.

'Greece plans to extend the size of its territorial waters along its western coastline in the Ionian Sea from six nautical miles to 12, Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis said Wednesday in what appears to be a test run for a similar move on its Turkey-facing east.

'Mitsotakis said that Albania and Italy have already been notified and a bill on the issue will soon be submitted to the Greek parliament for ratification.

'Although the extension does not directly impact the dispute between Greece and Turkey, Mitsotakis said Athens could extend its waters in other directions. Turkey has repeatedly warned that a similar move along Greece's eastern coastline would be a casus belli — a justification for war.

'The relationship between Athens and Ankara is at its lowest point in more than two decades.'


Are Greece and Turkey on a Path To War?
Peter Suciu for The National Interest

"Despite the fact that both nations are members of NATO and U.S. allies, the two have a history of animosity and outright hostility that has been made worse in recent months due to a cyber attack against Greek interests that may have been conducted to advance Turkish interests. Both sides have claimed the other has been overly aggressive in the waters off the coast of the two nations."

Are Greece and Turkey on a Path To War?
 

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Greece apparently doing a trial run for some lawfare.

'Greece plans to extend the size of its territorial waters along its western coastline in the Ionian Sea from six nautical miles to 12, Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis said Wednesday in what appears to be a test run for a similar move on its Turkey-facing east.

'Mitsotakis said that Albania and Italy have already been notified and a bill on the issue will soon be submitted to the Greek parliament for ratification.

'Although the extension does not directly impact the dispute between Greece and Turkey, Mitsotakis said Athens could extend its waters in other directions. Turkey has repeatedly warned that a similar move along Greece's eastern coastline would be a casus belli — a justification for war.

'The relationship between Athens and Ankara is at its lowest point in more than two decades.'


Ballsy.

Though won't please orange man bad, who I'm guessing wants peace and tranquility in the ME, Eastern Med, till November or so.

UAE also getting involved, sent a few darts to Cyprus I saw. Which is.... confusing if not a favour.
 
From Wiki

"Christianity in Turkey has had a long history dating back to the 1st-century AD. In modern times the percentage of Christians in Turkey has declined from 20–25 percent in 1914 to 3–5.5 percent in 1927, to 0.3–0.4% today[1][2] roughly translating to 200,000–320,000 devotees."

That sort of puts Erdogan's quest to place Turkey at the centre of Islam in context. It surely cant be long before wine production ceases and grapes are for sultanas only. Haven't tried Turkish wine to be honest. I did encounter a Turkish girl with turquoise eyes in the UK. I don't think she was remotely interested in me. Probably a granny now. Best kebab I've had was possibly from a Kurdish kebab and pizza shop. The pizzas were outstanding.
 
Turkey’s behaviour within NATO has never been an entirely easy one and her present tensions with a fellow NATO member is positively toxic.

As a member of NATO her purchase of S400’s has been contentious and will compromise security if linked into the shared network, as the Russian system would be sharing a network with sensitive alliance data. When it then publicly targeted a Turkish F-16 with the S-400 it did not endear itself to Congress.

More significantly, the system would have gained information about the F-35’s, compromising a major Wester alliance weapon system. This resulted in Turkey being refused the F-35 and being removed from the manufacturing program.

Turkey has pending a $1.5 billion dollar sale for attack helicopters with Pakistan who is now cozying up to China. These have US engines and one of China’s weaknesses has been engine technology. Turkey however cannot sell T129s or any weapon system containing that engine without an export license from the U.S. government.

This sale between Turkey and another Islamic nation is yet another move away from the West and defence exports have been a key priority for Erdogan, who has promised arms sales of $25 billion by 2023 and to be the major arms producer for the Islamic world.

In the main all her major weapon developments have been with the assistance of the West and co-production with various Western Nations. The bulk of her airforce is F-16s which need upgrades and at the moment that could be halted through CAATSA (Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act.)and which could have begun when she purchased the Russian S400 system but has not been.

Her various actions are being watched with some concern by various countries who have been instrumental is helping Turkey but are now worried about the direction Erdogan is steering her.
 

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