Turkey - a real turkey?

Apart from the obvious annoyance over the warship incident, why is France, well Makron, leading the way on having a backbone vis à vis Turkey ?
& why is my Huawei suddenly only writing in italics :?
Turkey has a deal with GBR regarding UKSF operations in the SYR IRAQ area. GBR does not want to piss off TUR and does not mind seeing FRA not supported by NATO over the illumination of the FRA frigate incident.
 
"Paris will send two Rafale fighter jets and the naval frigate 'Lafayette' to the Eastern Mediterranean . . . "

If that was us (the UK), I would imagine that the aircraft would be based on/at Cyprus?!

But this is France. Do they have a base in the Eastern Med?! Or, are the aircraft (merely) going to "loiter", and what endurance would they have to maintain a "presence" in the area?
FRA Rafale have just landed in Cyprus.


FRA and CYP are close in the defense field. CYP operates French made AMX30B2 MBTs, Mistral MANPADS, Gazelle HOT, VAB APCs, TRF1 155mm artillery...many CYP officers have trained in France.
 

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Some pretty ropey translation, but the only media in English (sorta) I can find covering it.

'The Greek frigate F451 Limnos collided with the Turkish ship F247 Kemal Reis in the Mediterranean, learned BulgarianMilitary.com citing the Greek news agency Armyvoice.gr.

'According to the portal, the Turkish frigate was damaged. Armyvoice.gr notes that the collision could have been the result of maneuvering in a small space in the disputed area.

'The General Staff of the National Defense of Greece (GEETHA) denied the information about the clash.'



Even given the ineptitude of our media the lack of coverage still boggles.

Anyone watching the BBC would think Turkey a staunch ally, prospective EU member and one harshly treated by orange man bad.
 
Even given the ineptitude of our media the lack of coverage still boggles.

Anyone watching the BBC would think Turkey a staunch ally, prospective EU member and one harshly treated by orange man bad.
Good point made by the Gruanaid, which could explain official Greek denials over the alleged incident.

'At the height of summer, with tourists once again heading to Greek island resorts and beaches, diplomats in Athens are eager the standoff is defused peacefully. But as warships coalesce, the spectre of conflict being triggered by a miscalculated move is also real, analysts say.'

 

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The Erdowanker has been stirring things in their tinpot parliament...


Not clear yet whether this is the ramming incident or something else. However the Oruc Reis appears to be zigzagging...
 
Or mainland Greece. Greece is prohibited by Treaty on allowing a military presence (save a Gendarmerie) on Aegean Islands.
Except that they've already landed in Cyprus.
 

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Or mainland Greece. Greece is prohibited by Treaty on allowing a military presence (save a Gendarmerie) on Aegean Islands.
They inked a quarter billion contract for mistrale and exocets earlier this year. Details were hazy but certainly implied that they were destined for the NG.

Seemed odd, as they are already tooled up.

Wouldn't surprise me if these were coastal batteries.

No idea whether they've been delivered but doubt they'd be fully operational even if tey had.
 
Or mainland Greece. Greece is prohibited by Treaty on allowing a military presence (save a Gendarmerie) on Aegean Islands.
I think it's just the eastern islands which were supposed to be demilitarised under the treaty which ceded them to Greece. Part of Turkey's list of grievances with Greece is that the Greeks didn't keep to the terms of the treaty and started re-militarizing the islands in the 1980s, or that general time frame.
 

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I wonder whether anyone has some stockpiles of expensive PGMs that are about to go past their use by dates...
 
I think it's just the eastern islands which were supposed to be demilitarised under the treaty which ceded them to Greece. Part of Turkey's list of grievances with Greece is that the Greeks didn't keep to the terms of the treaty and started re-militarizing the islands in the 1980s, or that general time frame.
Yes, the Dodecanese amongst others
 
The maritime collision story is now being picked up by more news outlets, with some interesting apparent details coming to light. Who'd have thought the Greeks would have been up to some shenanigans?;)

'The Greek frigate manoeuvred to avoid a head-on collision and in the process its bow touched the rear of the Turkish frigate, the defence source told Reuters.'


Some more garbled content: it's all Greek to me.

'Greek frigate Limnos has reportedly collided with or better say rammed Turkish frigate TCG Kemalreis destroying its propeller and causing serious damage. The incident has allegedly taken place on Wednesday.


Meanwhile, more moving parts, so more chance for a mistake.

'Turkish Navy Yıldız-class fast attack craft equipped with what appeared to be Harpoon missiles was sighted several kilometers away from the Greek island of Kastellorizo. This class warship was designed by Lürssen Werft of Germany and has a full load displacement of 433 long tons (440 t).

'The sighting of the Turkish fast missile patrol craft, reportedly P349 Karayel, comes as Turkey’s Oruc Reis seismic research vessel continued its journey nearby within the country’s continental shelf claim escorted by a military outfit.

'Local media also reported that in response to Turkey’s actions, Greek ships have appeared off the coast of Kastellorizo directly opposite Kas.'


 
Kastellorizo is only about 2 miles off Turkey's Mediterranean coast near Kaş, and quite isolated from the rest of the Greek archipelago. The RN's first seaplane tender was sunk there by shore based Ottoman artillery
 
Meanwhile in Turkish media (ie government controlled or influenced) it is played down as an accident:

 
I haven't seen mention of the presence of the French LPH in the area previously.

'On Thursday, Greek media reported that two French Rafale jets flew over the Oruc Reis and its Turkish navy escorts, as they participated in joint exercises with the Hellenic Navy.

'Two French vessels, the frigate La Fayette and helicopter carrier Tonnerre, took part in the drills alongside four Greek frigates: Spetsai, Aegean, Koundouriotis and Limnos.

'Limnos was the ship reportedly involved in a collision with the Turkish navy frigate Kemal Reis – one of Oruc Reis’s military escorts – on Wednesday morning. Greek media reported that the clash left several Greek sailors injured, but rendered the Turkish vessel “inoperable,” which Ankara denied.'


 
The timing could just be coincidental, but there's nothing like a bit of historical tub-thumping, especially with a victory against the odds, to stir up nationalist sentiment.

'It is a battle that paved the way for centuries of Turkish rule in Turkey, but its exact location has remained a mystery so far. A group of researchers with the help of modern technology aim to find where exactly the Battle of Manzikert or Malazgirt was fought 949 years ago.

'Malazgirt is now a district in the eastern Turkish province of Muş and hosts ceremonies to remember the victory every year. Historians know that a nearby plain was where the Seljuk army led by Sultan Alp Arslan defeated a Byzantine army commanded by Emperor Romanos IV but don't know the exact location of the battle. Academics from eight universities visited Malazgirt and the remains of Seljuk rule there on Friday before launching the study. Along with the site of the battlefield, the study will delve into the logistics of the two armies and tactics they employed. Scientists will use ground radars and electromagnetic scanning to find traces from the battle.

'The Battle of Manzikert was one of the most significant turning points in medieval history, as after the Byzantines suffered this grievous blow, the gates of Anatolia swung open for Turkish domination.'

'The Seljuk victory in Malazgirt accelerated the decline of the Byzantine Empire and led to more Turkic tribes settling in the region, paving the way for both the Ottoman Empire and the modern Republic of Turkey. The battle also earned a unique place in Turkish military history, as the Seljuks won the battle despite overwhelming odds.'


Search underway for site of Battle of Manzikert in Turkey
 
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I think it's just the eastern islands which were supposed to be demilitarised under the treaty which ceded them to Greece. Part of Turkey's list of grievances with Greece is that the Greeks didn't keep to the terms of the treaty and started re-militarizing the islands in the 1980s, or that general time frame.
A friend of mine did his National Service in the 80's as an officer in the Greek Army and spent 12 months on Kos with an AA battery.
 

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