Turkey - a real turkey?

That might make some sense with the double-negative removed!

That will then illustrate the fallacy of your statement.

The USA has said “NO!” to the purchase/instillation of S-400, by Turkey . . . .

. . . . it STILL happened :( .
Despite what it, and others, may think, the USA is not NATO; that's what consensus is all about.

Jens Stoltenberg [NATO Secretary General]: 'It is a national decision what kind of systems different NATO Allies procure, but we fully realise that this is now a challenge and it is an issue that has been discussed is addressed by the United States and Turkey.' 'I hope that it's possible to find a solution to this issue, because we see now that this is an issue where there is disagreement between two Allies; Turkey and United States.'

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_165234.htm

JENS STOLTENBERG [NATO Secretary General]: 'It is the decision by every NATO Ally what kind of military equipment they buy.'

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_165854.htm

E2A: 2nd link
 
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FOC...you too.

Irony not a strong point?
15:48 to 16:17 - it took you that long to come up with your witty quip? Trolling in CA isn't very bright.
 
What is now of more interest will be Erdogan’s response to the ban.

He has previously voiced his opinion that Turkey will respond vigorously to any such action.
 
US doing as it had said; no doubt Russia getting their contract books ready to offer a replacement. However, the steady diplomatic ship of NATO sails on oblivious as Turkey's geographic and regional positions, and military size in the Alliance, are too important to lose.

'The United States confirmed it has removed Turkey from its F-35 fighter jet program after it received delivery of a Russian missile defense system last week.

"Let me reiterate that Turkey remains a close NATO ally and our military-to-military relationship remains strong," (US Under Secretary of Defense for Sustainment Ellen Lord) said. "We continue to honour our commitment to ensure the safety of our NATO ally and support missions benefiting regional security and stability."

U.S. ends Turkey's partnership in F-35 fighter jet program
 

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Turkey...What Turkey....There's a Turkey....
 
What is now of more interest will be Erdogan’s response to the ban.

He has previously voiced his opinion that Turkey will respond vigorously to any such action.
As is often the case, it looks like the Kurds may once again be the biggest losers because of international tensions.

'The crisis between Turkey and the United States over Ankara’s purchase of Russian S-400 air defense systems may have pushed the Turkish threat of a military incursion into northern Syria against the Kurdish Peoples’ Protection Units (YPG) into the background for a time. The topic, however, is back on the agenda as Ankara beefs up its military presence along the Syrian border, leading to fresh speculation that an operation by Turkey is imminent.

'There is also a sense of urgency on the Turkish side after Britain and France responded positively to President Donald Trump’s call to send troops to lands held by the YPG with US support. Multiple reports since November have also indicated that the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia have sent troops to the region to assist US forces, pouring more fuel on Ankara’s sense of urgency.

'Turkey continues to complain bitterly about US support for the YPG, a Kurdish group that Ankara says is an offshoot of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party. Ankara considers autonomy for the Syrian Kurds under any guise or name to be an existential threat to its security. Washington, however, views the YPG with sympathy after the group helped defeat the Islamic State in northern Syria with US support, and has taken the YPG under its protection. Trump threatened in January to “devastate Turkey economically if it hits the Kurds” in northern Syria. Briefing reporters on his meeting with Erdogan, on the fringes of the recent G-20 summit in Japan, Trump boasted again about how he had prevented Erdogan from “wiping out the Kurds.”

'There is also growing speculation that links the start of deliveries of the S-400s to Turkey last week — and the threat of US sanctions because of this — with a cross-border operation east of the Euphrates. Bulent Aydemir, who heads the Ankara office of the popular daily Haberturk, said the S-400s will be activated in 1 to 1½ months and provide security for Turkey’s next operation in Syria — which, he said, “is just around the corner.” “Together with the S-400s it will be out of the question to prevent a Turkish operation against [YPG] targets east of the Euphrates with the threat of US sanctions,” Aydemir wrote. But Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said July 15 that the S-400s will not be fully deployed before April 2020.'


Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/07/turkey-syria-united-states-will-erdogan-risk-new-operation.html#ixzz5u2BDA8WG


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So, a possible function of the S-400 might be to protect Turkish action against the YPG?

This would certainly bring a completely new aspect to the hostile intent that the Turks undoubtedly feel towards the YPG. Erdogan has already openly stated his intentions to deal with the problem ‘unexpectedly one night’, and it has been a serious concern that such an action might inadvertently create a contact between US and Turkish forces which create be a pretty serious situation.

The contact between US and Russian Mercs may have been one thing, but covered by an S-400 shield any such contact with Turkish forces would be in a different league. Turkey is already promising military action against a US- and EU-led coalition in the eastern Mediterranean that is presently supporting Cypriot claims against Turkish actions in offshore energy exploration rights in their waters.

It will be more likely, that as with Iran, Trump may prefer to use the economic weapon in any such possible eventuality.
 
So, a possible function of the S-400 might be to protect Turkish action against the YPG?

This would certainly bring a completely new aspect to the hostile intent that the Turks undoubtedly feel towards the YPG. Erdogan has already openly stated his intentions to deal with the problem ‘unexpectedly one night’, and it has been a serious concern that such an action might inadvertently create a contact between US and Turkish forces which create be a pretty serious situation.

The contact between US and Russian Mercs may have been one thing, but covered by an S-400 shield any such contact with Turkish forces would be in a different league. Turkey is already promising military action against a US- and EU-led coalition in the eastern Mediterranean that is presently supporting Cypriot claims against Turkish actions in offshore energy exploration rights in their waters.

It will be more likely, that as with Iran, Trump may prefer to use the economic weapon in any such possible eventuality.
Yes, its speculative opinion, but certainly not beyond the bounds of possibility.
 
Very little has appeared to be beyond Erdogan, sensible/logical/productive, or just off the wall batsh*t crazy.

This missile deal stood to lose so much that it was either a tremendous gamble, that failed, really badly advised/thought through, or just Erdogan’s fantasy that he’s an invulnerable Muslim superhero.
 
Very little has appeared to be beyond Erdogan, sensible/logical/productive, or just off the wall batsh*t crazy.

This missile deal stood to lose so much that it was either a tremendous gamble, that failed, really badly advised/thought through, or just Erdogan’s fantasy that he’s an invulnerable Muslim superhero.
'Sultan Recep the First, Father of the New Ottoman Empire': I'm sure he thinks it has a nice ring to it. Hopefully the country's economic woes, which the failure of the F35 deal has just exacerbated, will give his support base the wake-up call they need to stop supporting a neo-Nationalist fantasist.

 
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The US now setting out their stall. While it seems alarmist, and is quoted in an opinion piece, simply the fact the US has felt the need to say it is of concern.

'Pentagon spokesman Navy Cmdr. Sean Robertson said: "Unilateral action into northeastern Syria by any party, particularly as U.S. personnel may be present or in the vicinity, is of grave concern. We would find any such actions unacceptable."

'Over the past week Turkey appears to have been amassing its forces near the border for an upcoming assault on US-allied Kurdish forces in Syria's northeast. American defense officials fear Turkey's military could be tempted toward retaliation against US forces currently assisting Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) over new US sanctions related Turkey's S-400 deal with Russia.'

Pentagon Fears Turkey To Retaliate Against US Troops In Syria Over New Sanctions

Meanwhile, on the other side of the Euphrates;

'Turkish warplanes and drones hit Friday terrorist targets in a mountainous area in Iraq's north as part of an ongoing military operation against PKK, Turkey’s National Defense Ministry announced Friday. The ministry said airstrikes destroyed a large number of targets including of weapons, shelters, and caves. The ministry said only terrorist positions have been targeted during the operation and "maximum effort" were exerted to prevent civilian casualty.

'On May 27, Turkey launched Operation Claw against the PKK terrorists in the Hakurk region of northern Iraq. So far, at least 84 terrorists have been "neutralized" by the Turkish army. Turkish authorities often use the term "neutralized" in statements to imply the terrorists in question surrendered or were killed or captured.'


Turkish military conducts airstrikes in northern Iraq
 

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