Turkey - a real turkey?

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Oops, forgot to add Turkey to the list for subsidised kit (and money).

'When the Soviet Union fell, many of the former Warsaw Pact nations founded their new militaries on the back of leftover military equipment. And in the thaw of the Cold War, many of those same nations invested in Russian gear, often cheaper than its American equivalents. But following Russia’s invasion of Ukrainian territory in 2014, those same countries found themselves scrambling to cut the cord with Russian military contractors and turn towards the West. But with limited defense budgets, that has proven easier said than done.

'To address the issue, the U.S. State Department has, in the last year, quietly launched a new program known as the European Recapitalization Incentive Program (ERIP), a new tool developed with U.S. European Command to try and speed the process of getting allied nations off Russian gear. As envisioned, it targets Albania, Bosnia, Croatia, Greece, North Macedonia and Slovakia.'

Inside America’s multimillion-dollar plan to get allies off Russian equipment
As far as I am aware, apart from a few Kalashnikovs and mortar tubes, Turkey doesn’t have any Soviet or Russian kit yet.
 
As far as I am aware, apart from a few Kalashnikovs and mortar tubes, Turkey doesn’t have any Soviet or Russian kit yet.
And your final word is very important; 'yet'.
 
Turkey has been most emphatic that the the S-400 missile deal is ’Done’.

That being the case by their own admission they are already in the process of acquiring them.
 
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With respect, Erdogan has been saying suchlike for almost three years, along with the fantastical pronouncement that they would be co-manufactured in Turkey...
 
As far as I am aware, apart from a few Kalashnikovs and mortar tubes, Turkey doesn’t have any Soviet or Russian kit yet.
The fact that Turkey/Erdogan, has "Moscow" on speed-dial, is a worry :( .
 
As crude as it sounds - they need to decide whether they are "with us" or not "with us." Simple. They really can't f-k about too much.

I know it sounds very George Bush-y, but at the end that what it really boils down to, if they want to maintain their Western-ish credentials.
 
Interesting developments in Turkey. We will have to wait and see if this marks a turning point. There are celebrations in Istanbul and it seems a lot of hope for a better future.

Opposition Republican People's Party (CHP) candidate Ekrem Imamoglu was confirmed as the winner of the March 31 Istanbul mayor's race by Turkish election authorities on Wednesday.

Speaking from the steps of city hall Wednesday, the 48-year-old Imamoglu called the victory, "a new dawn for Istanbul."

Turkish opposition candidate confirmed winner of Istanbul mayoral race | DW | 17.04.2019

Istanbul residents have been voting to elect a new mayor after an opposition candidate's surprise victory in March was annulled. Ekrem Imamoglu won by 13,000 votes, prompting allegations of irregularities from Turkey's ruling AK party. Mr Imamoglu has vowed to "battle for democracy" and polls say he is likely to beat former Prime Minister Binali Yildirim for a second time. The vote is being seen as a key test for President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

As a former mayor of Istanbul - Turkey's economic and cultural centre, home to 15 million people - Mr Erdogan has often said that "he who wins Istanbul wins Turkey".

Istanbul votes again in election key for Erdogan
 
Istanbul residents have been voting to elect a new mayor after an opposition candidate's surprise victory in March was annulled. Ekrem Imamoglu won by 13,000 votes, prompting allegations of irregularities from Turkey's ruling AK party. Mr Imamoglu has vowed to "battle for democracy" and polls say he is likely to beat former Prime Minister Binali Yildirim for a second time.
Going from a 13,000 vote margin of lead to a 775,000 lead over the other contender is pretty emphatic. Erdogan has no choice but to accept the win.
Rather hope this doesn't lead to a summer of aggro though as I have a holiday booked there in September.
 
If or/and Erdogan goes could this kick Turkish EU membership back to life. He has been a big scare to move Turkey into an Islamic and pro Russian orbit, without him will there be pressure to get Turkey into the European orbit with EU membership as the big reward?
 
If or/and Erdogan goes could this kick Turkish EU membership back to life. He has been a big scare to move Turkey into an Islamic and pro Russian orbit, without him will there be pressure to get Turkey into the European orbit with EU membership as the big reward?
It will be interesting to see where he goes from here. National media are being pretty damning.

'It is a clear sign of Erdoğan fatigue. Turkey’s leader shouldered an immense political and social engineering project and in the past decade managed to make considerable progress, while also injecting heavy doses of polarisation and violent anger into Turkish society. As he became increasingly isolated at the top, Erdoğan made increasingly poor decisions. It may sound like a contradiction, but what accelerated him into this dead-end was the very presidential system that endowed him with super authority, following the April 2017 referendum.

'Extremely difficult days await Turkey’s leader, but he deserves this outcome. He is the one mainly, if not solely, responsible for the destruction of Turkey’s democracy. Still, he has the power to push forward with this adventure. Whatever he decides, let us hope it does not place any further strain on the country’s deeply worn social fabric.'


Erdoğan fatigue: Istanbul rerun was slap in the face | Ahval
 
Presumably any of the armed forces top brass, academics, journalists etc who he's banged up should expect to be released.
What effect may they have once back in circulation?
 
Presumably any of the armed forces top brass, academics, journalists etc who he's banged up should expect to be released.
What effect may they have once back in circulation?
It's just the election for mayor of Istanbul, so I don't see how that would affect any existing prosecutions for the coup attempt.
 
It's just the election for mayor of Istanbul, so I don't see how that would affect any existing prosecutions for the coup attempt.
Erdogan started off as Mayor of Istanbul....

....but you're right, those incarcerated will be hoping for a quicker timeline for release as it was another 20 years before he became President in 2014
 
In recent development with Turkey’s decision to buy the S-400, and its belief that the F-35’s would still come due to the huge part Turkey plays in the various parts it produces, it was announced that if however, the F-35 did not come, Turkey would speed up the development of it’s own 5th Gen fighter.
Turkey Has Its Own High-Tech Fighter Jet in the Works

But, Turkeys bust up with Roll Royce who were assisting with an indigenous engine for the aircraft, posed problems. Turkey then said that a US engine would act as a stand-in till they developed their own, but appears another little wrinkle has just occurred.
U.S. aerospace manufacturer throws in towel on Turkey operations | Ahval
This makes Turkey’s already ambitious timeline for the rollout of its F-35 replacement a little farfetched. Which leaves the SU-57 offered by Putin?

After an unsuccessful partnership with India who pulled out due to shortcomings and differences of opinion, Russia then dropped their order of the SU-57 for their own Air Force to only 16...until it seemed, Turkey could be a possible customer. Suddenly Putin aware that the requirement for only 16 by Russia indicated a certain lack of enthusiasm for the plane. He used all flyable SU-57’s to escort his plane for a Kodak moment, and upped Russia’s order to 76, citing an unbelievably wonderful sudden huge drop in price.

The slight problem there, it is underpowered and the Russian’s are still trying to develop a suitable upgrade to the present engine. Turkish money would be a huge injection into the development which had been struggling...though where Turkey will find the money might be a little problematical. Their own aircraft industry participation in the F-35 will cease if the embargo on the plane goes ahead with a prediction of 30% losses in revenue to Turkish companies on that alone. Any further deterioration in US/Turkey relations might trigger further US CAATSA action on other Turkish US collaborations on various weapon systems and yet further economic loss.

There has been a discernible swing away from the West by Turkey in recent years which increased under Erdogan but this may not have been echoed by all Turks. Certainly Gullen’s ideas of freedom of worship and thinking among Muslims, his proposals of an "Anatolian Islam" based on tolerance and excluding harsh restrictions or fanaticism and the two keys to provide peace in society: tolerance and dialog. He advocated good relations with the West at a time when modern Turkish schools concentrated on ideological dogmas, madrasas heavily concetrated on the Koran and Islam and institutions of spiritual training immersed in sheer metaphysics.

The school system he set up were private, and initially free-based institutions accessible for elites, offering a rigorous, world-class education impart skills in the contemporary world. Leading businessmen and bureaucrats sent their children to these schools due to the success for University examinations. Instruction in the schools was in English, though some subjects were taught in language of the host country; the curriculum included Turkish and Russian. The schools had excellent teaching materials and computer equipment and emphasised traditional themes of respect to teachers and students, hygiene, personal appearance and discipline, and provided scholarship to poor but brilliant students. Needles to say all these were closed by Erdogan.

This latest development in Istanbul would seem to indicate that Erdogan’s helmsmanship is possibly not to everyone’s taste but he seems likely to be around for a while yet.
 
The Istanbul result would seem an initial indication of deep dissatisfaction with the crumbling economic policies under Erdogan.

in his 16-year run Erdogan delivered on promises of economic growth but produced this expansion by aggressive borrowing. He gave credit to his cronies in the real estate and construction industries, who have created huge infrastructure projects.

But in the last two years, investors worried about the huge debt burdens confronting Turkey’s major companies have grown increasingly doubtful of full repayment and taken their money out of the country. The value of Turkey’s currency, the lira, has fallen more than 40 percent against the US dollar. Erdogan’s present disagreements with the US are likely to make the situation much worse.

Inflation is now running at an annual rate of about 19 percent effecting the general public and companies alike. Farmers are paying higher prices for imported fertiliser and fuel. Families paying more for vegetables and eggs. Factories paying more for imported components. The official unemployment rate now exceeds 14 percent.
For Erdogan, the Bill for Turkey’s Debt-Fueled Growth Comes Due
 
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Some Turkish Air Force personnel have been in Russia quite a bit longer...my fantastical comment was referring to an Erdogan statement over two years ago for ROKETSAN to co-produce the S-400, with ASELSAN radars. Hasn't happened; unlikely to happen. same with the S-500...
 

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