Trumpton at it again

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one_flew_over

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#1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3702661.stm

I think the gripe this time is that they don't want to be made to train or do preventative work on night shift. They actually want to be paid to sleep, pending a 999 call? If on nights when else do the train? Me thinks they want to kip all night to be less tired for the day job??
 
#2
Never more of a truer word stated in jest!

Bloody Gilchrist smells the chance to put the Government under the cosh due to overstretch of the Military. Pure opportunist tw*t.

As for the Firemen, good god, the rest of us have to work mate. What's up, you scared to? :evil:
 
#3
I wonder (rhetorically) if, this time round, the Dear Leader will have the balls to introduce legislation preventing Trumpton from going on strike, like the police and the armed forces.
 
#4
FBU general secretary Andy Gilchrist said the employers had placed the pay agreement in "serious jeopardy" because of sudden changes to the agreement.
Take it that claims "he was out on his ear" were incorrect then... :roll:
 
#5
Me thinks they want to kip all night to be less tired for the day job
If they can't sleep at night how are they going to be able to have an intelligent conversation with the punter in the back of the cab, let alone drive it safely...
 
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one_flew_over

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#8
Is that 40 different applicants or the same one for days and nights now you can go home for a kip!
 

chimera

LE
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#9
Can't believe that these people really think they are going to get any public support coming out on strike again. Perhaps some of the ex-mil ARRSE readers who are firemen can give us a view from the shop floor as to what the 'brothers' really think.
 
#10
Heard all this trite B*****ks during the last dispute from you macho gun toting cowboys. If you opened your eyes and ears a little more than your mouths and stopped believing Murdoch and Blair ( how truthful was he when he sent the mil into Iraq to kill and die ?) , you might actually learn something. I know this post is going to be like rattling the bars of a monkeys cage so I eagerly await the howls and screams of the morally outraged monkeys out there
 
#11
Well I hope they do post on here....... it made them look really greedy and twisted last time. Last time they put forward arguments that their job was 'dangerous', they spent too much time away from home missing their families and that they were under-paid. I mean, trying to tell a bunch of squaddies that they are hard done by!.... every 'argument' they had was shot down. They were beginning to loose public support last time and if they strike again they will start with little this time.
You'd think they'd know when to shut up and lie still huh?
 

Unknown_Quantity

War Hero
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#12
There are some quality coments on the bbc link http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3702661.stm

They wanted to have a vote on breaking their ties with the Labour Party in protest at the government's handling of last year's strike.
The one time the government shows any backbone they get berated for it - that said the FBU didn't like being told to stop being silly and sit in the corner.

He [Giltwat]accused the employers of "complete incompetence"
Considering his track record thats a little hypocrytical methinks.

"Employers risk derailing the entire modernisation programme," he said.
Would this be the same modernisation plan that saw the FBU membership striking so as to preserve their 1940's working practices? Knob.
 
#13
The reserve firemen's union (www.rfuonline.co.uk) made good reading last time. It showed how farcical most of the FBU's arguements were. If anybody sounds like the monkey in a cage it's Tenorplayer - playing Gilchrist's tune right to the end. :evil:
 
#14
Tenorplayer said:
Heard all this trite B*****ks during the last dispute from you macho gun toting cowboys. If you opened your eyes and ears a little more than your mouths and stopped believing Murdoch and Blair ( how truthful was he when he sent the mil into Iraq to kill and die ?) , you might actually learn something. I know this post is going to be like rattling the bars of a monkeys cage so I eagerly await the howls and screams of the morally outraged monkeys out there
Well unless you've changed your arguments from last time there's no point you 'rattling' anyone's cage. You still get a good wage for a 4 shift week, you still get time to do a second job, you still get more time with your family than the average squad and if you didn't have every fire wally in the country on the same wage, what you'd save out in the sticks would provide the fire people in the cities with a bonus to keep them in jellied eels.

Now make sure you have a fire bucket next time you get close to the brasier on the picket ;-)
 
#15
Mike mcc... Your post shows your lack of knowledge. If you had the slightest idea what you were bleating about you would know that RFU stands for RETAINED not RESERVE. But hey... I can`t expect you to be too bright ! Need more enlightenment ? just post again !
 
#16
Plant pilot If we treated our customers like you do yours we would P**s on them beat them up , humiliate them ( Does this make you WALLIES feel hard ?) instead we save them , treat them with sympathy and friendship and get respect back. It`s easy to abuse and name call but if you would like a sensible reasoned argument post respectfully and answers to your queries will come.
 
#17
Tenorplayer said:
Plant pilot If we treated our customers like you do yours we would P**s on them beat them up , humiliate them .
errr, aren't our 'customers' (how very PC) the govt and the british public? I didn't realise the job of the army was to 'serve' suspected terrorists. I take it you would treat arsonists, and the little scrotes who try and lure the fire brigade out with fake calls to enable them to stone you, with respect and sympathy??

Sorry, just not sure what your argument is here.
 
#18
We treat everyone the same... we even risk our own necks to save scrotes. The point I was badly making was that we are different outfits so why do you lot still compare your conditions with ours. It takes five years to be a fully qualified Firefighter ...how long does it take to be a fully qualified squaddie ? Contrary to popular belief, water squirting is not the be alland end all of our job. Also , we work a 42 hour week so don`t get any more time off than anyone else. Every other person in the country is entitled to hold down a second job but we are " greedy" for doing the same. I`ve been in the job for 27 years and still only bring home about 1150 a month. Now while this may sound good to a youngster in the army. how much would a 27 year service man bring home ? A bit more I reckon... remember .. we don`t get SQs for driving or any other of the many skills we develop over a career. Honest question... somebody answer please. P.S. the customers line was intended to be a touch of sarcasm meaning the people we deal with.
 
#19
Being soldiers, the general rule to people we meet is to kill them! :wink:

With you sarcasm, I think you may have prevented anyone giving you a good argument.

I will have a go before the remainder rip you another arrsehole.

You are right, we can't compare jobs. We get pissed off because during the last trumpton shindig, the firefighters came across as fully paid up members of the grossly brainwashed and utterly stupid brigade. It was plain to see that Gilcnut had sold you lot up the river for years and was making a political statement against the govn. It had fcuk all to do with FBU members pay or standard of life or future service. It was just that you lot couldnt see it.

We got pissed off because just at the start of a major deployment, we did your job (we actually did ok at it and it took us a shit lot less than five years to do too).

Old cliche, if you dont like your job, find another one. If you are unable due to lack of education or skills, tough!

In the army, the wages reflect a progressive career due to promotion etc. If your happy holding a hose for 27 years, expect to have a reflective wage. A pte soldier who had no ambition and wished to do the same job for 27 years would also get a cack wage. Check facts, weapons free..........
 
#20
Tenorplayer said:
we work a 42 hour week so don`t get any more time off than anyone else.
As I said before, the same old 'arguments'. You work a 42 hour week? Now, aren't two of those shifts night shifts? Are you telling us that every fireperson spends every night shift 'up, about and ready'?

Your rather grubby dig at us treating our 'customers' worse than you treat yours just proves that you are also not very well informed. Many soldiers went out of their way to help and protect the civilians in Southern Iraq, sometimes at no small risk to themselves. Then there's the same in Kosovo, Bosnia and many others.

Now go and do a whole weeks work awake and stop winging about your very good conditions.
 

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