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Trump pulls the US out of Iran deal.

You understand that 'donors in Saudi Arabia' provoding money is rather different from 'the Saudis' (which in normal parlance means the Saudi government) funding ISIS/terrorism? That situation is in contrast to Iranian government funding of terror.

Add to this that Saudi is aligned with US foreign policy goals while Iran opposes them and it's not hard to see why the US supports Saudi.

Suadi Arabia isn't a democracy for starters. Their oil is owned by the ruling elite and their wealthy friends, as are almost all businesses and some of their wealth is going to Sunni terrorist organisations. Isis isn't rattling tins on street corners, they were getting large chunks of money from within Saudi. The people with this sort of money are the ones running the show, the Saudi 'government' is doing little to stop it. They are paying lip service to US foreign policy.
 
I agree with you about the FSA, it's a disaster waiting to happen,

Waiting? Pretty sure most of the Military equipment they get right now is Turkish - They haven't had U.S backing for a few years and have been fought U.S units already.

Not to be confused with the Iranian backed ones.
 
Who's to say FSA we're supporting in Syria won't end up the same.
Which FSA? Do you mean the SDF?
You're like the Russians they make history up as they go along ignoring the bad bits.
That’s good from someone who posted biased pictures of Iranian women shopping but failed to mention the posters calling for the death of other countries.
 

Caecilius

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Book Reviewer
Suadi Arabia isn't a democracy for starters. Their oil is owned by the ruling elite and their wealthy friends, as are almost all businesses and some of their wealth is going to Sunni terrorist organisations. Isis isn't rattling tins on street corners, they were getting large chunks of money from within Saudi. The people with this sort of money are the ones running the show, the Saudi 'government' is doing little to stop it. They are paying lip service to US foreign policy.

No, it isn't a democracy. It's a country governed, until very recently, by consensus with a royal family that exercises loose control over the vast number of very wealthy princes that have some connection to the house of Saud.

MBS has consolidated some of the power to an almost unprecedented extent and has neutralised a lot of his rivals by allegedly forcing them to sign over their money while taking steps to boost his popularity with the population. However, he still remains extremely vulnerable and his ability to properly crack down on the activities of all the princes in Saudi is limited.

I'm not convinced you really understand the dynamics here. Saudi also pays more than lip service to US foreign policy; it's the US's second ally in the region (after Israel) and a significant anchor against Iranian dominance of the middle east.
 
Suadi Arabia isn't a democracy for starters. Their oil is owned by the ruling elite and their wealthy friends, as are almost all businesses and some of their wealth is going to Sunni terrorist organisations. Isis isn't rattling tins on street corners, they were getting large chunks of money from within Saudi. The people with this sort of money are the ones running the show, the Saudi 'government' is doing little to stop it. They are paying lip service to US foreign policy.
You’ll have to remind me, isn’t Soleimani one of, If not the richest man in Iran?

I’ve little time for KSA, two sides (Sunni and Shi’a, good music) of the same coin. But pretending Iran can be friendly with ‘the West’ with Khameini and Soleimani in charge is frankly pushing it.
 
U.S. seeking diplomatic outcome with Iran, allies - senior U.S....
Not a surprise really. Looking for a 'new deal' which addresses multiple issues. Pompeo is apparently due to give a speech on Monday:
“The goal of our effort is to bring all necessary pressure to bear on Iran to change its behaviour and to pursue a new framework that can resolve our concerns,” senior policy advisor Brian Hook told reporters.

“We very much want to be, to have a kind of uptempo diplomacy, one that’s very focused and very determined to achieve our national security objectives,” said Hook, ahead of a speech focused on Iran by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Monday.
 
Trump having pulled the US out of the Iran deal is expected to cast a pall over the upcoming G7 summit on the 8th and 9th of June.
Between Trump, Iran and North Korea, Canada's G7 has a high potential for chaos | CBC News

Trump's decision to unilaterally withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal, and to reimpose economic sanctions on Iran, caused a deep rift with fellow G7 members France, Germany and the U.K.

Canada also expressed its regret over Trump's decision, setting the tone for a difficult discussion on global security when the G7 leaders meet in Charlevoix June 8-9.
 
Iran's top leader sets conditions for Europe to save nuclear deal
Iran feels it is in a position to demand concessions, with Khamenei also saying he doesn’t trust the E3. European banks should safeguard trade with Iran, not talk about Iran’s ballistic missiles (that Iran says can’t carry nukes) and not to stop Iran’s affairs in the Middle East eg Solomeini off to Iraq to talk about who gets to be PM. Also Europe should guarantee Iranian oil sales by buying Iranian oil:
“European banks should safeguard trade with the Islamic Republic. We do not want to start a fight with these three countries (France, Germany and Britain) but we don’t trust them either,” Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was quoted as saying by his website.

Khamenei also said European powers must promise they would not seek new negotiations on Iran’s ballistic missile program and regional Middle East activities, adding:

“Europe should fully guarantee Iran’s oil sales. In case Americans can damage our oil sales..., Europeans should make up for that and buy Iranian oil.”
He also accuses the US of breaking the U.N. Resolution, wants to secure ‘a resolution against the U.S. violation’ and for the EU to stand up against US sanctions. Of course, if their demands to the E3 aren’t met, Khamenei says they will start to enrich uranium:
Khamenei said that over the past two years the United States “has repeatedly violated” the nuclear deal but the Europeans had remained silent. He asked Europe to “make up for that silence” and to “stand up against the U.S. sanctions.”

Khamenei accused the United States of violating U.N. Security Council Resolution 2231 that underpins the nuclear agreement with Iran, and asked Europe to secure “a resolution against the U.S. violation”.

He warned that if the Europeans did not meet these demands, Iran would resume its enrichment of uranium, halted under the deal to minimize the risk of Tehran developing the means to build nuclear weapons.
 
Iran's top leader sets conditions for Europe to save nuclear deal
Iran feels it is in a position to demand concessions, with Khamenei also saying he doesn’t trust the E3. European banks should safeguard trade with Iran, not talk about Iran’s ballistic missiles (that Iran says can’t carry nukes) and not to stop Iran’s affairs in the Middle East eg Solomeini off to Iraq to talk about who gets to be PM. Also Europe should guarantee Iranian oil sales by buying Iranian oil:

He also accuses the US of breaking the U.N. Resolution, wants to secure ‘a resolution against the U.S. violation’ and for the EU to stand up against US sanctions. Of course, if their demands to the E3 aren’t met, Khamenei says they will start to enrich uranium:

Good luck Europeans...
 
'Iran will uphold the nuclear deal if it can continue to reap its economic benefits despite revived US sanctions, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani says. The foreign ministers of Iran and five major powers will meet in Vienna on Friday in an effort to save the agreement that is meant to prevent Iranian nuclear armament, the European Union confirmed.'

Iran sets condition to keep nuclear deal
 

Pob02

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Book Reviewer
No!

Longer, in an official country to country way. Trump hasn’t been President as long as the Iranian government post Shah.
Who said I was just talking about whilst he has been President?
 

Pob02

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Book Reviewer
In addition to posting only ratings, when you do write something it is incomprehensible.
Apart from the circa 1000 posts ( which, unless you are a complete idiot, are comprehensible).......

In case that is not clear, I am calling you an idiot.
 
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