Trump pulls the US out of Iran deal.

Should have clarified, nobody here likes Iran.
That's because you're insular, trigger happy and credulous. Iran is an extremely nice place and hold surprisingly little by way of grudge for us supporting Saddam.

They think you lot are cocks, though.
 
That's because you're insular, trigger happy and credulous. Iran is an extremely nice place and hold surprisingly little by way of grudge for us supporting Saddam.

They think you lot are cocks, though.
Duh, shoot first and figure it out later.

They can hate away, like I said the feeling is mutual.
 
Should have clarified, nobody here likes Iran.
That's because you can't flog them weapons and they won't/can't do business with you. Europe, on the other hand, is balls deep doing business and it's worth 10's of billions per year. Which is probably why we're softer on them.
Their government isn't the best, but they do have a modicum of democracy unlike most of the 'friendly' Arab nations Saudi in particular. Although Trump has backed down to the Saudi's and had to eat humble pie, probably after being reminded of the amount they spend with US defence contractors.
You made them a pariah nation, not us, perhaps the rest of the West doesn't want to lose another nation in that region to the Russians.

Here are some Saudi women going about their business.


Here's Iranian women doing the same.


Remind me again which is the backward nation according to your government?
 
That's because you can't flog them weapons and they won't/can't do business with you. Europe, on the other hand, is balls deep doing business and it's worth 10's of billions per year. Which is probably why we're softer on them.
Their government isn't the best, but they do have a modicum of democracy unlike most of the 'friendly' Arab nations Saudi in particular. Although Trump has backed down to the Saudi's and had to eat humble pie, probably after being reminded of the amount they spend with US defence contractors.
You made them a pariah nation, not us, perhaps the rest of the West doesn't want to lose another nation in that region to the Russians.

Here are some Saudi women going about their business.


Here's Iranian women doing the same.


Remind me again which is the backward nation according to your government?
Or because we have been killing them and vice a versa for over 30 years?

The Saudi’s are business partners, but their power struggle with Iran puts them on our side.

We will find out just how much Europe wants to back them in the coming months.
 
Or because we have been killing them and vice a versa for over 30 years?

The Saudi’s are business partners, but their power struggle with Iran puts them on our side.

We will find out just how much Europe wants to back them in the coming months.
You liked them well enough when they had the Shar as a US puppet, remind me how many Iranians were were on the jets that flew into the WTC.
 
Or because we have been killing them and vice a versa for over 30 years?

The Saudi’s are business partners, but their power struggle with Iran puts them on our side.

We will find out just how much Europe wants to back them in the coming months.
Yet your two major threats of ISIS and AQ are Saudi backed. They're really on your side.
 
Or because we have been killing them and vice a versa for over 30 years?

The Saudi’s are business partners, but their power struggle with Iran puts them on our side.

We will find out just how much Europe wants to back them in the coming months.
That'll be the Saudis that bankrolled & encouraged fundamentalist Islam.
You know; the country where the instigators & most of those involved in 9/11 came from?
 
That's because you can't flog them weapons and they won't/can't do business with you. Europe, on the other hand, is balls deep doing business and it's worth 10's of billions per year. Which is probably why we're softer on them.
€10.8Bn out and €10.1Bn in: Iran - Trade - European Commission
The EU exported over €10.8 billion worth of goods to Iran in 2017. EU exports to Iran are mainly machinery and transport equipment (€5.5 billion, 50.9%), chemicals (€1.9 billion, 18.1%), and manufactured goods (€0.9 billion, 8.9%).

The EU imported over €10.1 billion worth of goods from Iran in 2017. Most EU imports from Iran are energy-related (mineral fuels account for €8.9 billion and 88.7% of EU imports from Iran), followed by manufactured goods (€0.6 billion, 6.4%), and food (€0.3 billion, 3.3%).
Their government isn't the best, but they do have a modicum of democracy unlike most of the 'friendly' Arab nations Saudi in particular. Although Trump has backed down to the Saudi's and had to eat humble pie, probably after being reminded of the amount they spend with US defence contractors.
If Rouhani rather than Khameini and Soleimani was in charge of foreign policy etc.
You made them a pariah nation, not us, perhaps the rest of the West doesn't want to lose another nation in that region to the Russians.
I thought they were the ones who broke into the US Embassy and held them hostage?
Here are some Saudi women going about their business.
Plenty of pictures of women wearing burkha’s in Iran. Not as many as KSA admittedly.
Here's Iranian women doing the same.
Is that just below the ‘Death to America’ and ‘Death to Israel’ posters? I haven’t seen that many ‘Death to little Satan’ posters to be honest, but I’m sure there are some about.
 
That's because you can't flog them weapons and they won't/can't do business with you. Europe, on the other hand, is balls deep doing business and it's worth 10's of billions per year. Which is probably why we're softer on them.
Their government isn't the best, but they do have a modicum of democracy unlike most of the 'friendly' Arab nations Saudi in particular. Although Trump has backed down to the Saudi's and had to eat humble pie, probably after being reminded of the amount they spend with US defence contractors.
You made them a pariah nation, not us, perhaps the rest of the West doesn't want to lose another nation in that region to the Russians.

Here are some Saudi women going about their business.


Here's Iranian women doing the same.


Remind me again which is the backward nation according to your government?
How about both are backward compared to Western values?

And the U.S can't... or won't sell arms to them? And because the EU is 'balls deep in trade, we should overlook the human rights and terrorist actions?

You are doing a great job of making the U.S look like the nation with morals....
 
How about both are backward compared to Western values?

And the U.S can't... or won't sell arms to them? And because the EU is 'balls deep in trade, we should overlook the human rights and terrorist actions?

You are doing a great job of making the U.S look like the nation with morals....
Don't say that out loud, you might kill the heathens.....But one does have to wonder why the Euro's are willing to risk a $hit show with the US over Iran.
 
Don't say that out loud, you might kill the heathens.....But one does have to wonder why the Euro's are willing to risk a $hit show with the US over Iran.
Are they? Still a while to go and there may yet be a ‘deal’. It just needs something on the IRBMs, inspection regime and ‘sunset clauses’. There’s still chance and the E3 are meeting with Iran to see what can be achieved. It might come to naught, it might achieve something but they are trying.

If the deal fails, Rouhani loses prestige and may even be kicked out. For Iran he is rather ‘moderate’. Much better than Khameini and Soleimani.

The past two mass protests were predominantly about election rigging and then governance by the theocracy. The ‘status quo’ means the ‘theocrats’ and IRGC win and carry on the same. Giving Rouhani somethings means there’s more chance of him staying in power and actually making some meaningful changes.
 
Are they? Still a while to go and there may yet be a ‘deal’. It just needs something on the IRBMs, inspection regime and ‘sunset clauses’. There’s still chance and the E3 are meeting with Iran to see what can be achieved. It might come to naught, it might achieve something but they are trying.

If the deal fails, Rouhani loses prestige and may even be kicked out. For Iran he is rather ‘moderate’. Much better than Khameini and Soleimani.

The past two mass protests were predominantly about election rigging and then governance by the theocracy. The ‘status quo’ means the ‘theocrats’ and IRGC win and carry on the same. Giving Rouhani somethings means there’s more chance of him staying in power and actually making some meaningful changes.

I think if the Euros are more willing to add some teeth to the deal, and if that had happened in the first place it would not have been touched. The problem is the IRBM's and the fact that Iran has the ability to now fund two proxy wars. If the European powers to be were a bit more in touch with American politics they should have demanded Obama take the agreement to the Senate, where it would have been more formal and legitimate in the eyes of Americans. Backdoor executive deals don't garner much support.

The shocking thing for us is the fact that May is throwing her support to France and Germany, and not remaining well neutral. Iran is just not worth a "tiff" that could escalate into some genuine ill will.
 

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