Troubles propaganda music

#1
I do have quite a large range of Republican and to a lesser extent Unionist propaganda songs taken from the troubles, now that that war is over it may be time to examine them.

Men Behind the Wire (quite a famous one)
Snipers promise (quite an interesting one since it tries to create empathy with the IRA sniper and the soldier who has just been shot)
The Sash my Father Wore (standard Unionist anthem, I also recall a case in South Armagh from Toby Harnden’s ‘Bandit Country’ (excellent read BTW) when an officer played this around the square the day he was about to leave to celebrate the fact that none of his men had died!
This Land is your land (bit loathe to put it here because I think it’s a really good folk song, I think the original artist was Woodie Guthrie)
Go on home British soldiers (Very clever bit of hate propaganda)
Wrap the green flag around me
Come Out You Black and Tans (I think this goes back to the start of the 20th century, but don’t quote me on that.)
The Patriot Game (I think this does glorify martyrdom to a certain extent)

I am willing to send CD’s of this to anyone interested in Propaganda relating to the Troubles from thee 60’s to the late 90’s. PM me.

I think the IRA had some very powerful, what I would term ‘folk propaganda’ which it used to gain supporters and sympathisers.
 
#6
Flashman_1 said:
legal_eagle said:
Plenty of it on YouTube....



Daddies Uniform
Found the above one very interesting, am I right in thinking this is somehow related to the blood oath between N.Ireland and the mainland?
Basically yes. Ulster is as much part of the UK as England is and Ulstermen are always amongst the first to step forward when the Kingdom is threatened...The Chocolate Soldier is in a similar vein..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Volunteers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Volunteer_Force

The UVF began with the Ulster Covenant started by Lord Carson in 1912..many of those who signed it did so with their own blood...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Covenant
 
#7
legal_eagle said:
Basically yes. Ulster is as much part of the UK as England is and Ulstermen are always amongst the first to step forward when the Kingdom is threatened...The Chocolate Soldier is in a similar vein..
Really? you've never heard that comment by I believe, John Betjeman, who during the last war was a press attache in the British Embassy in Dublin. He visited Northern Ireland, then routinely referred to as "Loyal Ulster" in contrast to the neutral Irish Free State. He said that in Belfast he'd:

"seen lots of "Loyal Ulstermen" all loyally staying at home"

The fact is that conscription wasn't in force in NI during the war and apparently the locals were actually quite reluctant to volunteer, despite all their protestations of "Loyalty". :wink:
 
#8
Jaeger said:
legal_eagle said:
Basically yes. Ulster is as much part of the UK as England is and Ulstermen are always amongst the first to step forward when the Kingdom is threatened...The Chocolate Soldier is in a similar vein..
Really? you've never heard that comment by I believe, John Betjeman, who during the last war was a press attache in the British Embassy in Dublin. He visited Northern Ireland, then routinely referred to as "Loyal Ulster" in contrast to the neutral Irish Free State. He said that in Belfast he'd:

"seen lots of "Loyal Ulstermen" all loyally staying at home"

The fact is that conscription wasn't in force in NI during the war and apparently the locals were actually quite reluctant to volunteer, despite all their protestations of "Loyalty". :wink:
Perhaps you could pop over to Belgium and bring a relative of mine back for my family then, we thought he was blown to pieces and does not rest as he has no known grave, but it seems he must have just got lost when on the piss.

I f**king guarantee you my family has more service than yours, fool.
 
#9
Flashman_1 said:
I do have quite a large range of Republican and to a lesser extent Unionist propaganda songs taken from the troubles, now that that war is over it may be time to examine them.

Men Behind the Wire (quite a famous one)
Snipers promise (quite an interesting one since it tries to create empathy with the IRA sniper and the soldier who has just been shot)
The Sash my Father Wore (standard Unionist anthem, I also recall a case in South Armagh from Toby Harnden’s ‘Bandit Country’ (excellent read BTW) when an officer played this around the square the day he was about to leave to celebrate the fact that none of his men had died!
This Land is your land (bit loathe to put it here because I think it’s a really good folk song, I think the original artist was Woodie Guthrie)
Go on home British soldiers (Very clever bit of hate propaganda)
Wrap the green flag around me
Come Out You Black and Tans (I think this goes back to the start of the 20th century, but don’t quote me on that.)
The Patriot Game (I think this does glorify martyrdom to a certain extent)

I am willing to send CD’s of this to anyone interested in Propaganda relating to the Troubles from thee 60’s to the late 90’s. PM me.

I think the IRA had some very powerful, what I would term ‘folk propaganda’ which it used to gain supporters and sympathisers.
I always preferred Would You Like to Try a Cheese Burger Bobby Sands? or The Ballad of Bloody Sunday(We shot one, we shot two...). :twisted:

The IRA's propganda, like Al Quida's, worked/works on people predisposed to believe in it anyway; in other words, fcukwits and wannabe-martyers.
 
#10
Really? you've never heard that comment by I believe, John Betjeman, who during the last war was a press attache in the British Embassy in Dublin. He visited Northern Ireland, then routinely referred to as "Loyal Ulster" in contrast to the neutral Irish Free State. He said that in Belfast he'd:

"seen lots of "Loyal Ulstermen" all loyally staying at home"

The fact is that conscription wasn't in force in NI during the war and apparently the locals were actually quite reluctant to volunteer, despite all their protestations of "Loyalty".

Whoever it was John Betjeman or not, he didn't appeatr to be doing a great lot for the war effort. Ulstermen , and Irishmen , have always been well represented in the armed forces and deserve the same respect as all other nationalities who served. Obviously if conscription was not in force you won't get the same percentage of the population in uniform All the others English, Scottish or Welsh did not go too willingly or conscription would not have been necessary.
 
#13
Jaeger said:
legal_eagle said:
Basically yes. Ulster is as much part of the UK as England is and Ulstermen are always amongst the first to step forward when the Kingdom is threatened...The Chocolate Soldier is in a similar vein..
Really? you've never heard that comment by I believe, John Betjeman, who during the last war was a press attache in the British Embassy in Dublin. He visited Northern Ireland, then routinely referred to as "Loyal Ulster" in contrast to the neutral Irish Free State. He said that in Belfast he'd:

"seen lots of "Loyal Ulstermen" all loyally staying at home"

The fact is that conscription wasn't in force in NI during the war and apparently the locals were actually quite reluctant to volunteer, despite all their protestations of "Loyalty". :wink:

I think we have had this one out before, firstly do you have numbers of how many men from North of the border fought and died? Compare the size of NI and the population with England for example. You seem surprised :wink: that the whole male population did not leave for Europe, Far East etc, who was going to farm the land theres more to winning a war than fighting etc. Secondly NI was a strategic staging post for attack on the rest of the UK, had it been taking by the Hun. Who was to guard it?
I think your quote from some knob who spent most of his time in Dublin and your use of the :wink: is a sneer on the thousands from NI who give up there lives during WW2. As you pointed out there was no conscription, we didnt need it, still thousands signed up because they felt it was right, not because they had to. I wonder what you would have done back then?
You obviously have some sort of problem with those of us who are loyal to Queen and Country.
I like many others am proud of what my family done during both World wars and conflicts after it right up to now. Come visit my Town on Remembrance morning, listen to the names of those who fought and died being read out, i bet John Betejemens name is not on any war memorial!
 
#14
Flashman_1 said:
I do have quite a large range of Republican and to a lesser extent Unionist propaganda songs taken from the troubles, now that that war is over it may be time to examine them.

Men Behind the Wire (quite a famous one)
Snipers promise (quite an interesting one since it tries to create empathy with the IRA sniper and the soldier who has just been shot)
The Sash my Father Wore (standard Unionist anthem, I also recall a case in South Armagh from Toby Harnden’s ‘Bandit Country’ (excellent read BTW) when an officer played this around the square the day he was about to leave to celebrate the fact that none of his men had died!
This Land is your land (bit loathe to put it here because I think it’s a really good folk song, I think the original artist was Woodie Guthrie)
Go on home British soldiers (Very clever bit of hate propaganda)
Wrap the green flag around me
Come Out You Black and Tans (I think this goes back to the start of the 20th century, but don’t quote me on that.)
The Patriot Game (I think this does glorify martyrdom to a certain extent)

I am willing to send CD’s of this to anyone interested in Propaganda relating to the Troubles from thee 60’s to the late 90’s. PM me.

I think the IRA had some very powerful, what I would term ‘folk propaganda’ which it used to gain supporters and sympathisers.

If you think some of the modern day provie songs are, quote folk? propaganda, i suggest you listen to the words.
A lot of Irish folk groups , lean towards republicanism from the past, constantly droning on about hundreds of years of oppresion. However some of the newer crap covers sam 7,s till armalites, not all song to folk songs either.
By the way both sides sing to the same tunes just differnt words.
 
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