Trouble in the East?

[PartTimePongo]

Ok, this is the thread for analysis of the continued growing pains of nations East of Frankfurt-am-Oder.

Fill your boots

 

[whitecity]

Ok, this is the thread for analysis of the continued growing pains of nations East of Frankfurt-am-Oder.

At 5'3", I vote for Polish President Lech Kaczynski.

 

[Domovoy]

PTP, can you move "Moldavian" posts into this thread please?

 

[PartTimePongo]

No Domovoy, it would take about an hour to cycle the thread to split it as it's so large!

The only thing to do there, is the original posters to cut and paste their posts into this thread.

 

[Domovoy]

Ah Domovoy, I don't think we have heard the last of Moldova. Despite the OSCE take, Baroness Nicholson told the BBC that she had strong misgivings about the OSCE report, and blamed Russian influence. She thinks PCRM had only won 35% of the vote. Voronin and the opposition asked the EU to mediaten not Russa! Not good for Russain influence IMHO.

No, no, no, rickshaw-major, forget the baroness (was she born yesterday if she thinks there is such a thing as elections without misgivings?), forget Russia (Voronin was never terribly pro-Russian, anyway)! That’s not the beauty of Moldovan “revolution”…

In December 2007 a Moldovan citizen and investigative journalist with affiliations to US/UK funded non-governmental groups (Hyde Park, Amnesty Int., ThinkMoldova, NPO, etc.) as well as Kasparov and other Russian “democrats” Natalia Morar was expelled from Russia, she then married a Russian citizen, but was still refused entry.

Now, just before “revolution” this Moldovan Che Guevara bragged in her blog, that it took her and 6 others 10 minutes to come up with the plan, few hours to send the messages via SMS, Twitter, etc. and now they have 15000 participants to lead against Moldovan communist regime.

By the end of the day her and other democrats/liberals were already pointing at each other, passing the blame and protesting their innocence in a face of charges of criminal damage, incitement to violence, GBH, etc. (despite ample pictures of them all in the midst of the “revolution”).

So, what happened? Either US (due to economic crisis) subcontracted the revolution to Rumania (all they had to do was follow the script: elections, question the results, incite violence, provoke authorities to use force for the world to see, back the authorities into a corner, get opposition into power. simple!). Rumania put its own slant onto it and made mess of the whole thing. Or, Rumania decided to ape US “revolutions” and made mess of the whole thing.

Either way, pro-Rumanian liberal-democratic parties used Morar to organize youth (students and school kids) to “protest against unfair elections and tyranny of communists”, but tyrannical communist Voronin gave orders for police NOT to respond and to allow “revolutionaries” to do what they came for. That was something no one was prepared for! As a result “revolutionaries” injured around 200 police; destroyed the pavement in the town centre; looted and burned Moldovan Parliament and Presidential building; ate all the sandwiches in Presidential canteen, drunk all the booze…And were now exposed to the whole country (and the world) for what they are: opposition that organised vandalism doesn’t care about the capital city and can’t control even their supporters yet along the country! But most damaging to the opposition, Rumania and EU was the fact that opposition organised its supporters under Rumanian and EU flags that they put on top of Moldovan Parliament and Presidential building.

http://benia.livejournal.com/248632.html
http://benia.livejournal.com/248867.html
http://benia.livejournal.com/249246.html
http://benia.livejournal.com/249565.html
http://benia.livejournal.com/249694.html

 

[alib]

Moldavian totty:

 

[alib]

There's some blog blather here about Moldova’s Twitter Revolution. Twitter is of course a work of Satan.

 

[Blogg]

The Moldovian Eurovision entry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGIg-2JKUhQ

Better than our shite effort but then any nation that takes Eurovision seriously is beyond redemption

 

[scarletto]

The Moldovian Eurovision entry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGIg-2JKUhQ

Better than our shite effort but then any nation that takes Eurovision seriously is beyond redemption

Its a cracker that, must get her Album.

 

[alib]

In the NYT A Wild Cossack Rides Into a Cultural Battle

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Top Ukrainian officials did not attend the opening in Kiev on April 2. But viewers who emerged from the first showing said they found Mr. Bortko’s message of pan-Slavic unity deeply moving. Yulia Velichko, 20, a student, hesitated at the idea of rejoining the Russian fold, saying, “We fought so hard for our independence.” But her companion, Valery Skuratov, was convinced.

“We should join Russia,” he said. “We’re closer to them than we are to the Amerikozy,” a mildly derogatory term for Americans.

Russians showed no such restraint. The premiere inspired viewers in Krasnodar to shave their heads into Cossack haircuts, and early this month Russian Fashion Week devoted an afternoon to a collection called Cossacks in the City.

At the film premiere in Moscow’s Kinoteatr Oktyabr, which seats 3,000, the audience applauded at Bulba’s “Russian soul” speech, and then again when the Cossacks thundered through western Ukraine, holding torches, to drive out the Poles. Among those who felt exaltation was an ultranationalist politician, Vladimir Zhirinovsky.

“It’s better than a hundred books and a hundred lessons,” he told Vesti-TV after the premiere. “Everyone who sees the film will understand that Russians and Ukrainians are one people — and that the enemy is from the West.”

Mr. Bortko, in an interview, said the state-owned Rossiya television channel had commissioned him to make “Taras Bulba” because the conflict with Kiev made it “politically topical.” He shrugged off the suggestion that Ukrainians might view the film as divisive, noting that he spent the first 30 years of his life in Ukraine.

“I have more right to speak about Ukraine than 99 percent of those who say otherwise,” he said. Ukrainians and Russians, he said, “are like two drops of mercury. When two drops of mercury are near each other, they will unite. You’ve seen this. Exactly in the same way, our two peoples are united.”

Anyway, he said: “I just filmed Gogol. I didn’t make up a single phrase.”

But as his blockbuster opened at more than 600 theaters across Russia and Ukraine, that conversation was just beginning. In Nezavisimaya Gazeta, a newspaper in Moscow that is often critical of the government, Yekaterina Barabash noted small alterations that Mr. Bortko made to Gogol’s text, which she said served to transform a wild Cossack into a respectable patriot, suitable for wide distribution.

“What can we do: exaggeration is one of the tokens of our time,” she wrote. “The cultivation of patriotism, which our government focuses on now, is a token and part of our filmmaking industry. One hope: history will show that such filmmaking does not live long. It will fall into irrelevance, when times change. And Gogol — hooray! — will remain.”

 

[One_of_the_strange]

My take on Moldova is simple; it's the economy. There's no conspiracy, no hidden cabal - it's just that Moldovans look at their economy. which is well and truly in the toilet and wish they had looked West like Rumania did. So they try and get onside with the EU and Romania for some handouts. Simple.

 

[Domovoy]

My take on Moldova is simple; it's the economy. There's no conspiracy, no hidden cabal - it's just that Moldovans look at their economy. which is well and truly in the toilet and wish they had looked West like Rumania did. So they try and get onside with the EU and Romania for some handouts. Simple.

Sorry, One_of_the_strange, but no.

Moldovan communists always cultivated pro-EU policies. But as realists they try to balance them with constructive relations with Russia.

1. In Moldova there live lots of nationalities: Ukrainians, Russians, Armenians, Gagaus, Germans, Greeks, etc. They don't want to be part of Rumania.
The original civil war (Transdnistria) happened when Moldova was governed by pro-Rumanian democrats who are now in opposition.
If they will come to power with the same pro-Romanian agenda Moldova will erupt into yet another civil war.

2. Ethnic Moldovans still remember the oppression they, as minority, suffered under Rumanian rule. They don't want a repeat.

3. The whole revolutionary hullabaloo boils down to money sharing (under present circumstances communist party doesn't need to buy votes and therefor doesn't have to share with the "opposition") and direct interests of Ghimpu, Filat and especially Skupo in re-building Romania Mare.

Judging by comments on Moldovan forums, if they are to have re-elections, communists will win hands down. People are VERY angry at the opposition!

 

[Domovoy]

Further to the above

Open letter of 13 April to Amnesty International
Dear Secretary General,

I am a responsible Moldovan citizen who was present in Chisinau during the 7 April mob violence and currently come up to Trinity College Cambridge to continue studying for my degree. I would like to express my dissatisfaction with the statement that appeared on 8 April on your website, namely the press release with the following link:http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media...-civil-society-activists-risk-arrest-20090408

I am quite unhappy with the position that Amnesty has decided to take in relation to the violence and barbarity that shook the otherwise rather peaceful life of my home town. The reason for this is that i find it unacceptable that the main instigators of the said acts of criminality, the people that fanned the flames of civil unrest and eventually contributed more than anyone else to the carnage that resulted are being hailed by Amnesty.org as freedom-fighters and "prisoners of conscience".

I would find it rather more fitting to label these irresponsible demagogues as prisoners of their own vanity in that they have failed to find a more fruitful occupation in Moldovan society than indiscriminate, violent and intimidating agitation for a vague and hazy political goal which they cannot even precisely formulate, let alone put in into practice if given the chance to. They cannot, under any circumstances, be called "prisoners of conscience" because that would be an insult to those few who do indeed have a conscience, as well as a sense of responsibility before their fellow citizens and their country not to engage in base rabble-rousing but attempt to effect constructive changes in a calm and peaceful manner that would make a tangible difference to the lives of other people.

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Furthermore, the protests that they have attempted to justify in the name of democracy and free elections were quite baseless because of the simple fact that these "leaders" chose to call people onto the streets before the official results of the elections were published, before any official OSCE statements were given and before any evidence, documentary or otherwise, could be presented to support their claims. Thus their actions of protest can be considered groundless from a legal point of view.

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These leaders, apart from being both politically naive and vainly ambitious, are also somewhat uneducated. It is nothing but a sign of a lack of elementary political literacy to assume that the government of Moldova is actually "Communist". Thus, by continuing to use a patently inappropriate designation for is what is clearly a bourgeois-oligarchical political structure rather than the rule of a genuine socialist party, these agitators are deliberately misinforming and brainwashing the hundreds of simple-minded students who choose to follow them simply because of the barren economic climate and dire social situation in Moldova.

http://savemoldova.livejournal.com/554.html

 

[KGB_resident]

http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=13792840&PageNum=0

An attempt to stage an operation patterned on “colour revolutions” was made in Moldova, Vladimir Voronin, the Moldovan president, said in an interview with the Spanish newspaper El Pais.

He said citizens of Serbia and Romania had masterminded pogroms in Chisinau. Voronin said the arrival of nine persons from Serbia, as well as of agents of the Romanian secret services had been registered in Chisinau. “They wished to use the moment to stage an operation like a ‘colour revolution’. The events in Belgrade, Tbilisi, Bishkek and Kiev took place according to such a scenario,” Voronin stressed.

“The events have been filmed, so we can identify the offenders who attacked policemen. We are going to arrest and prosecute them,” the Moldovan president said.

It looks as Moldovan authorities were well prepared. They intentionally allowed the mod to loot, to vandalise and filmed it carefully. Also foreign 'professional revolutioners' were spotted.

http://www.interfax.com/3/487842/news.aspx

Moldova's three largest opposition parties will insist that the parliamentary polls of April 5 be declared invalid and new elections held
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The opposition leaders also confirmed that they would not take part
in the vote recount on Wednesday.

Just because that they know that the votes were counted correctly.

Now Let's hear Louis O’Neill who was OSCE ambassador and head of mission to Moldova from 2006 to 2008.

http://www.sptimesrussia.com/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=28761

For the first time in recent memory, the heavy hitters of international election monitoring — the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe’s Office of Democratic Institutions and Human Rights, the Council of Europe and the European Parliament — were in agreement with Russia-led observers from the Commonwealth of Independent States: Moldovan parliamentary elections on Sunday were run more or less in accordance with accepted norms.
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Western-sponsored exit polls run by a respected Moldovan political analyst showed the Communists winning 45 percent of the vote. This was outside the usual margin of error for such polling but not by a preposterous amount. The current count gives the Communists 49.48 percent
...
Even the notoriously skeptical commentator Vladimir Socor compiled a convincing “10 Reasons Why the Communist Party Won Moldova’s Elections Again,”

 

[In-Limbo]

Viva la' Revolution Against the Cynical and Cronyist Authoritarians of the Unrepentant Parties of the Leninist Molds, where ever they may be

 

[rickshaw-major]

I see that there is going to be a recount - on 15 April. All of them - in one day! And I suspect the Russian troops will help keep the peace in Transnistria. Now then - exam question time.

If the Russians get funny about gas again why shouldn't the Ukrainians get difficult about troop rotations?

 

[Domovoy]

I see that there is going to be a recount - on 15 April. …

I’m afraid, not.
Cele trei partide de opoziţie-Partidul Liberal Democrat, Partidul Liberal şi Alianţa “Moldova Noastră” au declarat că refuză să participe la procesul de renumărare a voturilor şi solicită încă o săptămână pentru verificarea listelor electorale.

“14 of April 2009.
The three opposition parties ………… announced their refusal to participate in the recount, and asked for another week to verify the electoral rolls.”

And I suspect the Russian troops will help keep the peace in Transnistria.

Actually, Transdnistria already sent its troops to Moldova to help keep the peace.

Why should Russia interfere? It said if Moldova will become part of Romania, Transdnistria will have the right to self-determination, that’s about it.

 

[One_of_the_strange]

Fair enough, I'd modify my answer to the economy AND badly-drawn borders then. Like most other wobbly countries geographic borders do not correspond to ethnic/tribal/religious etc borders. And nor do their inhabitants think in nation state terms.

And I did smile at the way Russia is playing the self-determination for recognisable ethnic groups card. They couldn't make it more obvious short of writing KOSOVO on the US ambassadors forehead in permanent marker.

 

[Domovoy]

And I did smile at the way Russia is playing the self-determination for recognisable ethnic groups card. They couldn't make it more obvious short of writing KOSOVO on the US ambassadors forehead in permanent marker.

True...

 

[rickshaw-major]

And I did smile at the way Russia is playing the self-determination for recognisable ethnic groups card. They couldn't make it more obvious short of writing KOSOVO on the US ambassadors forehead in permanent marker.

True...

Well NATO broke the rules .....