Trouble in the East?

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  1. Ok, this is the thread for analysis of the continued growing pains of nations East of Frankfurt-am-Oder.

    Fill your boots :D
  2. At 5'3", I vote for Polish President Lech Kaczynski. :)

  3. PTP, can you move "Moldavian" posts into this thread please?
  4. No Domovoy, it would take about an hour to cycle the thread to split it as it's so large!

    The only thing to do there, is the original posters to cut and paste their posts into this thread.
  5. No, no, no, rickshaw-major, forget the baroness (was she born yesterday if she thinks there is such a thing as elections without misgivings?), forget Russia (Voronin was never terribly pro-Russian, anyway)! That’s not the beauty of Moldovan “revolution”…

    In December 2007 a Moldovan citizen and investigative journalist with affiliations to US/UK funded non-governmental groups (Hyde Park, Amnesty Int., ThinkMoldova, NPO, etc.) as well as Kasparov and other Russian “democrats” Natalia Morar was expelled from Russia, she then married a Russian citizen, but was still refused entry.

    Now, just before “revolution” this Moldovan Che Guevara bragged in her blog, that it took her and 6 others 10 minutes to come up with the plan, few hours to send the messages via SMS, Twitter, etc. and now they have 15000 participants to lead against Moldovan communist regime.

    By the end of the day her and other democrats/liberals were already pointing at each other, passing the blame and protesting their innocence in a face of charges of criminal damage, incitement to violence, GBH, etc. (despite ample pictures of them all in the midst of the “revolution”).

    So, what happened? Either US (due to economic crisis) subcontracted the revolution to Rumania (all they had to do was follow the script: elections, question the results, incite violence, provoke authorities to use force for the world to see, back the authorities into a corner, get opposition into power. simple!). Rumania put its own slant onto it and made mess of the whole thing. Or, Rumania decided to ape US “revolutions” and made mess of the whole thing.

    Either way, pro-Rumanian liberal-democratic parties used Morar to organize youth (students and school kids) to “protest against unfair elections and tyranny of communists”, but tyrannical communist Voronin gave orders for police NOT to respond and to allow “revolutionaries” to do what they came for. That was something no one was prepared for! As a result “revolutionaries” injured around 200 police; destroyed the pavement in the town centre; looted and burned Moldovan Parliament and Presidential building; ate all the sandwiches in Presidential canteen, drunk all the booze…And were now exposed to the whole country (and the world) for what they are: opposition that organised vandalism doesn’t care about the capital city and can’t control even their supporters yet along the country! But most damaging to the opposition, Rumania and EU was the fact that opposition organised its supporters under Rumanian and EU flags that they put on top of Moldovan Parliament and Presidential building.
  6. Moldavian totty:
  7. There's some blog blather here about Moldova’s Twitter Revolution. Twitter is of course a work of Satan.
  8. Its a cracker that, must get her Album.
  9. In the NYT A Wild Cossack Rides Into a Cultural Battle
  10. My take on Moldova is simple; it's the economy. There's no conspiracy, no hidden cabal - it's just that Moldovans look at their economy. which is well and truly in the toilet and wish they had looked West like Rumania did. So they try and get onside with the EU and Romania for some handouts. Simple.
  11. Sorry, One_of_the_strange, but no.

    Moldovan communists always cultivated pro-EU policies. But as realists they try to balance them with constructive relations with Russia.

    1. In Moldova there live lots of nationalities: Ukrainians, Russians, Armenians, Gagaus, Germans, Greeks, etc. They don't want to be part of Rumania.
    The original civil war (Transdnistria) happened when Moldova was governed by pro-Rumanian democrats who are now in opposition.
    If they will come to power with the same pro-Romanian agenda Moldova will erupt into yet another civil war.

    2. Ethnic Moldovans still remember the oppression they, as minority, suffered under Rumanian rule. They don't want a repeat.

    3. The whole revolutionary hullabaloo boils down to money sharing (under present circumstances communist party doesn't need to buy votes and therefor doesn't have to share with the "opposition") and direct interests of Ghimpu, Filat and especially Skupo in re-building Romania Mare.

    Judging by comments on Moldovan forums, if they are to have re-elections, communists will win hands down. People are VERY angry at the opposition!
  12. Further to the above

    Open letter of 13 April to Amnesty International
    Dear Secretary General,

    I am a responsible Moldovan citizen who was present in Chisinau during the 7 April mob violence and currently come up to Trinity College Cambridge to continue studying for my degree. I would like to express my dissatisfaction with the statement that appeared on 8 April on your website, namely the press release with the following link:

    I am quite unhappy with the position that Amnesty has decided to take in relation to the violence and barbarity that shook the otherwise rather peaceful life of my home town. The reason for this is that i find it unacceptable that the main instigators of the said acts of criminality, the people that fanned the flames of civil unrest and eventually contributed more than anyone else to the carnage that resulted are being hailed by as freedom-fighters and "prisoners of conscience".

    I would find it rather more fitting to label these irresponsible demagogues as prisoners of their own vanity in that they have failed to find a more fruitful occupation in Moldovan society than indiscriminate, violent and intimidating agitation for a vague and hazy political goal which they cannot even precisely formulate, let alone put in into practice if given the chance to. They cannot, under any circumstances, be called "prisoners of conscience" because that would be an insult to those few who do indeed have a conscience, as well as a sense of responsibility before their fellow citizens and their country not to engage in base rabble-rousing but attempt to effect constructive changes in a calm and peaceful manner that would make a tangible difference to the lives of other people.

    Furthermore, the protests that they have attempted to justify in the name of democracy and free elections were quite baseless because of the simple fact that these "leaders" chose to call people onto the streets before the official results of the elections were published, before any official OSCE statements were given and before any evidence, documentary or otherwise, could be presented to support their claims. Thus their actions of protest can be considered groundless from a legal point of view.

    These leaders, apart from being both politically naive and vainly ambitious, are also somewhat uneducated. It is nothing but a sign of a lack of elementary political literacy to assume that the government of Moldova is actually "Communist". Thus, by continuing to use a patently inappropriate designation for is what is clearly a bourgeois-oligarchical political structure rather than the rule of a genuine socialist party, these agitators are deliberately misinforming and brainwashing the hundreds of simple-minded students who choose to follow them simply because of the barren economic climate and dire social situation in Moldova.

    It looks as Moldovan authorities were well prepared. They intentionally allowed the mod to loot, to vandalise and filmed it carefully. Also foreign 'professional revolutioners' were spotted.

    Just because that they know that the votes were counted correctly.

    Now Let's hear Louis O’Neill who was OSCE ambassador and head of mission to Moldova from 2006 to 2008.

  14. Viva la' Revolution Against the Cynical and Cronyist Authoritarians of the Unrepentant Parties of the Leninist Molds, where ever they may be