Trouble at Stoke-on-Trent English Defence League rally.

#1
After that Islam4UK was banned,not to ban these lot would send the wrong message.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/8476873.stm

[/quote]Fifteen people were arrested at an English Defence League (EDL) rally in Stoke-on-Trent after trouble broke out.

Four officers were injured and vehicles were damaged when EDL supporters broke through police cordons. Two of the officers needed hospital treatment.

About 1,500 EDL supporters were at the rally in Hanley to protest about Islamic extremism, police said.

Up to 300 members from the group Unite Against Fascism gathered on the other side of Hanley centre.

Multi-faith pledge

Supt Dave Mellor of Staffordshire Police said more than 600 officers had been deployed to the rally and disorder had been "sporadic".

One officer needed hospital treatment for an arm injury, another needed a facial injury to be examined by doctors. The two other injured officers returned to duty immediately.

BBC Midlands Today reporter Matt Cooke said said there had been few problems with the Unite Against Fascism demonstration.

He said there was trouble as the EDL crowd dispersed.

Christian, Muslim, Jewish and Sikh faith leaders signed a pledge against all forms of racism, ahead of the event on Saturday.

Unite Against Fascism supporters in Hanley

The Right Rev Gordon Mursell, the Church of England Bishop of Stafford, said after signing the pledge on Thursday: "We believe that real diversity actually helps create a vibrant and attractive city.

"The EDL and BNP think the opposite. That is why we oppose them."

Staffordshire Police said it had sufficient officers in place to deal with the demonstration and had learnt "valuable lessons" from other police forces around the country, who had dealt with similar protests.

Ninety people were arrested following clashes between EDL campaigners and anti-fascist supporters in Birmingham in September.
 
#2
They shouldn't be banned. They should be sufficiently organised such that they have membership lists that can then get leaked and live on my hard drive. This helps me check if I am ever in any danger of socialising or doing business with them.
 
#3
saw this on the local evening news. Looked quite nasty, the reporter had to duck as bottles etc pelted the police vans. They got a comment from one of the EDL and he made it perfectly clear what they wanted (quote) "No black in the union jack" i was suprised the BBC showed that to be honest.

Despicable, i hope the powers that be step in and do somthing about these thugs sharpish.
 
#4
Matt007 said:
saw this on the local evening news. Looked quite nasty, the reporter had to duck as bottles etc pelted the police vans. They got a comment from one of the EDL and he made it perfectly clear what they wanted (quote) "No black in the union jack" i was suprised the BBC showed that to be honest.

Despicable, i hope the powers that be step in and do somthing about these thugs sharpish.
Somebody should do something. It's crazy.

Hopefully, The Nanny State will step up to The Oche and protect us all.
God knows where we would be if we could make our own decisions.
 
#6
spike7451 said:
I'll bet tommorow we see calls for action against the EDF from Musim's & other groups.
Other electricity suppliers are available.
 
#8
Ban Labour from Government at the next election and maybe the rationale for both groups will evaporate.
 
#9
spike7451 said:
The Right Rev Gordon Mursell, the Church of England Bishop of Stafford, said after signing the pledge on Thursday: "We believe that real diversity actually helps create a vibrant and attractive city.
What is the CofE view on homosexuality? And they're not too keen on female bishops. Obviously they mean diversity should only aplies to other people.
 
#11
Aunty Stella said:
Funnily enough I have a black mate that is a member of the EDF that was there tonight, he gave a slightly different version of events to that reported by the news.

Not denying the arrests but I fear that the "racial element" is absolute b0llocks.

Would your black mate like to explain what motivated him to join a racist organisation like the EDL? :D
 
#12
Aunty Stella said:
Funnily enough I have a black mate that is a member of the EDL that was there tonight.
You lie, The EDL are all BNP racist thugs, I saw it in the newspapers.
 
#13
#15
Twenty years ago when I was a student in Stoke, my girlfriend, a sixth former, had a friend of Pakistani descent, a girl, who was brought up in a liberal, western household.

She recounted how said girl had been accosted by a group of lads, British but of Pakistani origin who had denounced her for having a white boyfriend and generally insulted her - in urdu.

Consider that those bastards - I remember the crowd of surly youths of Pakistani origin who stuck to themselves and didn't mix with the rest of the VI form, they are now grown men in their early forties, probably with families of their own who have built on the prejudices that they held then and have raised a whole generation of disaffected offspring.

The girl in question denounced them as racist bastards then and she was right to do so. They were trouble then and as we failed to nip it in the bud they are a damned sight more trouble now. No doubt the EDL attracts some fascists and undesirables but if they are standing up against the values that those wnakers from 20 years ago are still promoting then good luck to them. The "Anti Fascists" should be standing shoulder to shoulder with them if they really oppose extremism.
 
#16
Aunty Stella said:
Funnily enough I have a black mate that is a member of the EDF that was there tonight, he gave a slightly different version of events to that reported by the news.

Not denying the arrests but I fear that the "racial element" is absolute b0llocks.
Come on?

Look at them. Are you telling me the vast majority were just nice blokes there to say a few words about their view of how a multi cultural Britain could suceed.

There is always going to be a large amount of racist behaviour at such events (From both sides).

The reason why I can't stomach these groups and their rallies is because despite the fact that normal civilised and educated people will attend and shout for their cause the chav percentage (Quite large during this event I hear) will always ruin it like the peasants they are.
 
#17
Closet_Jibber said:
Aunty Stella said:
Funnily enough I have a black mate that is a member of the EDF that was there tonight, he gave a slightly different version of events to that reported by the news.

Not denying the arrests but I fear that the "racial element" is absolute b0llocks.
Come on?

Look at them. Are you telling me the vast majority were just nice blokes there to say a few words about their view of how a multi cultural Britain could suceed.

There is always going to be a large amount of racist behaviour at such events (From both sides).

The reason why I can't stomach these groups and their rallies is because despite the fact that normal civilised and educated people will attend and shout for their cause the chav percentage (Quite large during this event I hear) will always ruin it like the peasants they are.
And Unite Against Facism?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of the EDL either (although I understand their cause) but UAF are nastier, whatsmore UAF have some fairly prominent sponsors which makes them all the more distateful.
The blatant media bias toward UAF is quite astonishing, that and the list of their financial supporters raises fairly serious questions about this whole sory mess. Violence on the street that is nigh on sponsored by the state.



Just to add-
http://www.uaf.org.uk/aboutUAF.asp?choice=4
and
http://www.uaf.org.uk/aboutUAF.asp?choice=6
A list of sponsors and suporters of UAF.
Considering UAF's main function is to encourage violent confrontation with the opposition you have to wonder if this is anything more than state manipulated mob rule.
 
#18
Like I say. Both sides are swelling with racisits openly displaying racist behaviour towards eachother then having a kick off.

Its a fcuking nonsense. Meanwhile normal people just get on with their lives.
 
#19
Closet_Jibber said:
Like I say. Both sides are swelling with racisits openly displaying racist behaviour towards eachother then having a kick off.

Its a fcuking nonsense. Meanwhile normal people just get on with their lives.
For the moment they do. The issues are becoming ever more important to those same normal people though.

The difference is that the EDL are a bunch of muppets that want to make their voice heard, UAF are favoured by the media and sponsored by some very powerful people and organisations....
 
#20
jagman said:
Closet_Jibber said:
Aunty Stella said:
Funnily enough I have a black mate that is a member of the EDF that was there tonight, he gave a slightly different version of events to that reported by the news.

Not denying the arrests but I fear that the "racial element" is absolute b0llocks.
Come on?

Look at them. Are you telling me the vast majority were just nice blokes there to say a few words about their view of how a multi cultural Britain could suceed.

There is always going to be a large amount of racist behaviour at such events (From both sides).

The reason why I can't stomach these groups and their rallies is because despite the fact that normal civilised and educated people will attend and shout for their cause the chav percentage (Quite large during this event I hear) will always ruin it like the peasants they are.
And Unite Against Facism?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of the EDL either (although I understand their cause)
And what would that cause be?
 

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