Troops will fight Taliban without vital Chinooks

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Troops will fight Taliban without vital Chinooks
By Sean Rayment, Defence Correspondant
Last Updated: 12:04am GMT 17/02/2008

British troops serving in southern Afghanistan have been warned that no extra Chinook helicopters will be made available for at least 12 months, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt.

The delay has frustrated Army commanders and could undermine operations against the Taliban, who are expected to launch a full-scale spring offensive against British and Nato forces.

The helicopter shortage will force more troops to travel by armoured vehicle, rendering them vulnerable to attack with bombs and mines, which have been responsible for many deaths in the past 18 months.
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Its like ww1, taking afew miles of land, being pushed back, retaking it, living in trenches. Big respect to the guys who have to fight like that!

vp
 
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Von1Papen said:
Its like ww1, taking afew miles of land, being pushed back, retaking it, living in trenches. Big respect to the guys who have to fight like that!

vp
You're right; it's EXACTLY like WWI - lions led by fcuking DONKEYS!!! :x
 
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Look at it from Gordon Browns perspective.

A few more dead squaddies (Who dont vote liarbor anyway) are a small price to pay for a lower defence budget.

I've said it before and I'm saying it again, never underestimate the hatred this corrupt and incompetent socialist has for us.

He hates us because he fears us.

He doesn't see us as protectors of democracy, even though thats his justification for sending us worldwide.

He sees us as a threat.

He is blind to the truth (No pun intended)
 
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And I had trouble explaining to a Slovakian taxi driver that the British government of today is NO different that the one his country suffered for half a fcuking century: communism in a new suit.
 
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Skynet said:
The Americans may save our skin if the two marine bns are attached to UK forces in the south. Or will they take over!
They might not save our skin but the aviation support they bring with them will come in useful!
 
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hey, you guys have a handful of 25 year old Sea Kings out there - what more do you want?

I'd love to know what a couple of squadrons of brand new Mi-171s would cost. My guess is, not a lot.
 
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jonwilly said:
I often have trouble explaining to Yanks just how the British Labour Party basically Hates the US and all it stands for.
john
Sorry John, you added one word too many, your post should have read:

I often have trouble explaining to Yanks just how the British Labour Party basically Hates US!
 
#15
theres nothing good to say about labour or this country under them. Isnt it time somebody just took power off them..
 
#16
This is ridiculous. I hope the Marines are bringing the aviation you guys need.
 
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codbutt said:
hey, you guys have a handful of 25 year old Sea Kings out there - what more do you want?

I'd love to know what a couple of squadrons of brand new Mi-171s would cost. My guess is, not a lot.
A handful of Mi-171s wouldn't cost much no. However, the defensive aids, comms and other mods they'd need added would, not to mention another logs and trg chain.

We don't have enough helos in the Joint community, and we don't have enough aircrew to fly them. However, we also I would suggest need to rationalise our fleets; few types means more effective logs/trg support. Unfortunately, HMT will not allow us to plan for the long term. If they did, we could fund more Chinooks, Merlins to replace Puma and for the RN Jungly world, and a decent small helo for the AAC and RN.

Something has to give. I would offer up the Trident replacement, A400M, Nimrod MRA4, Watchkeeper and FRES. Those are the projects which could be done by other, cheaper methods, and which (as far as I'm aware) would still be cheaper to cancel than to continue with.

Regards,
MM
 
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In the article it says the Mk3's were mothballed after they were bought and are now being modernised, I'd heard that the Mk3's in actual fact were being retrofitted back to a Mk2 ? with regards software etc as Mk3 was meant to be the gucci special forces type platform.
 
#19
Magic_Mushroom said:
codbutt said:
hey, you guys have a handful of 25 year old Sea Kings out there - what more do you want?

I'd love to know what a couple of squadrons of brand new Mi-171s would cost. My guess is, not a lot.
A handful of Mi-171s wouldn't cost much no. However, the defensive aids, comms and other mods they'd need added would, not to mention another logs and trg chain.

We don't have enough helos in the Joint community, and we don't have enough aircrew to fly them. However, we also I would suggest need to rationalise our fleets; few types means more effective logs/trg support. Unfortunately, HMT will not allow us to plan for the long term. If they did, we could fund more Chinooks, Merlins to replace Puma and for the RN Jungly world, and a decent small helo for the AAC and RN.

Something has to give. I would offer up the Trident replacement, A400M, Nimrod MRA4, Watchkeeper and FRES. Those are the projects which could be done by other, cheaper methods, and which (as far as I'm aware) would still be cheaper to cancel than to continue with.

Regards,
MM
It wouldn't work, the government would take the funding cuts from those programmes and loose it elsewhere, and you still wouldn't get the helicopters etc you need.
 
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codbutt said:
hey, you guys have a handful of 25 year old Sea Kings out there - what more do you want?

I'd love to know what a couple of squadrons of brand new Mi-171s would cost. My guess is, not a lot.
Don't have any Sea Kings out there!