"Troops abused in Westminster parade" - Mike Penning MP

#1
Had a quick look and couldn't find reference to this elsewhere - if, it's been done - apologies. MODs, please move /delete.

Good for Mike Penning to speak out in support - shouldn't our part-time SoS Defence be similarly vocal? Or, has he been too busy in Scotland this last week?

MP hits out at treatment of veterans


MP for Hemel Hempstead Mike Penning has hit out after troops returning from Iraq were abused as they arrived at Westminster.

Mr Penning, who is vice chairman of the All Party Parliamentary Group for the Army, organised a series of welcome home events for troops returning from Afghanistan and Iraq.

Last week, as more than 120 members of the 4th Mechanised Brigade marched to Parliament, they were verbally abused by peace protesters stationed near Westminster.

Mr Penning told the House of Commons: "While we were waiting for them, the lunatic fringe that is the peace camp outside broke through the police lines and got into the ranks of those brave servicemen and women.

"Those people abused and attacked the service personnel, calling them cowards and other things that I will not repeat in this house."
He called on the police to ensure there are sufficient officers on duty in future to prevent such an incident reoccurring.
 
#2
ABrighter2006 said:
Had a quick look and couldn't find reference to this elsewhere - if, it's been done - apologies. MODs, please move /delete.

Good for Mike Penning to speak out in support - shouldn't our part-time SoS Defence be similarly vocal? Or, has he been too busy in Scotland this last week?

MP hits out at treatment of veterans


MP for Hemel Hempstead Mike Penning has hit out after troops returning from Iraq were abused as they arrived at Westminster.

Mr Penning, who is vice chairman of the All Party Parliamentary Group for the Army, organised a series of welcome home events for troops returning from Afghanistan and Iraq.

Last week, as more than 120 members of the 4th Mechanised Brigade marched to Parliament, they were verbally abused by peace protesters stationed near Westminster.

Mr Penning told the House of Commons: "While we were waiting for them, the lunatic fringe that is the peace camp outside broke through the police lines and got into the ranks of those brave servicemen and women.

"Those people abused and attacked the service personnel, calling them cowards and other things that I will not repeat in this house."
He called on the police to ensure there are sufficient officers on duty in future to prevent such an incident reoccurring.
Why not just offer the people that called them cowards some space on the next transport out to berate servicemen on the front-line?

They could either do that or choose to go and negotiate with the Op-For. Up to them. I doubt they would flinch as they are obviously braver than the people they call cowards.
 
#3
A part of me says, no harm done, soldiers can look after themselves.

No doubt if it was a different group marching, like the Coppers protest march, or some political/social/racial type protest there would be more Coppers present

I'd hate to see a Forces parade end up looking like the Olympic flame relay

Feck em, but fair shout for an MP voicing an opinion (Theoretically what he's paid for....)

Why do I scratch my head when I hear serving soldiers described as vetrans :?:
 
#4
thegimp said:
A part of me says, no harm done, soldiers can look after themselves.

No doubt if it was a different group marching, like the Coppers protest march, or some political/social/racial type protest there would be more Coppers present

I'd hate to see a Forces parade end up looking like the Olympic flame relay

Feck em, but fair shout for an MP voicing an opinion (Theoretically what he's paid for....)

Why do I scratch my head when I hear serving soldiers described as vetrans :?:
You have been Yankyfied. Veteran used to mean seasoned soldiers from battle. They would still be serving. An example would be Napoleon's Old Guard. They where all veterans and still serving.

WRT Wellington. He had some "veterans" at Waterloo but some where untested troops.

VETERAN has more than 1 meaning (now).
 
#5
Good on the lads for maintaining discipline and not sticking one on the unwashed 'peace' protesters. Has anyone checked whether they are on 'jobseekers allowance'? Damn difficult to seek work when sitting on the grass (and probably on grass) outside Parliament.

By all means protest, but do so quietly and positively, not by hurling abuse at servicemen - oh, and do so using your own funds, don't expect me to fund your 'alternative lifestyle'.
 
#6
I remember when my brother was based at Faslane,one night a group of pished up sailors or booties (cant remember which) on returning from a night in Helensburgh,decided to go home thru the Faslane CND Peace camp.Apparently the woke everyone there up as they were so,er noisy.....
 
#7
Round 'em up, put 'em on a bus, and drive them down to OPTAG to use as CIVPOP, where they can vent their anger - and then get their just rewards!!!
 
#8
I suppose we have to grin and bear it - the demands of 'free speech' and all that, especially at Westminster. The real shame is that these protesters show no desire to aquaint themselves with any facts before they shriek down their megaphones.

It's obvious to point out here that if they had disrupted an official event in Iran or Saudi Arabia, or indeed Saddam's Iraq or the Taliban's delightful Pakistani / Afghani model state, they would have been banged up, thrashed and chained to a radiator for a few weeks.

But the irony of that is lost on them.
 
#9
Thing is, and this is what troubles me....The armed forces do not make policy foreign policy, so why attack service men and women?

These protesters are utter filth, I mean, I think its great they have convictions, but how misguided are they? how stupid must they be? It is exactly these service man and women that have done and will fight for our freedoms, yes their very freedom to protest stems from the actions of those that serve.
 
#10
Bad Met Police - This could have been avoided and should have been. The last thing we want to do is put soldiers in a position where they feel like lamping someone live on a parade for all eyes to se.
 
#12
spike7451 said:
I remember when my brother was based at Faslane,one night a group of pished up sailors or booties (cant remember which) on returning from a night in Helensburgh,decided to go home thru the Faslane CND Peace camp.Apparently the woke everyone there up as they were so,er noisy.....
That was quite a while ago. Comaccio Coy I think, which dates it a bit. The matelots just used to go in for a wet and a "smoke". :wink:
 
#13
Why is it that the law abiding majority of this country cannot demonstrate without permission within 1 mile of parliament, while the Great Unwashed can seem to do what they like without any repercussions!
 
#15
There's only one way to sort this out: PUUURRADE... HALT! MOVE TO THE RIGHT, RIIIIIGHT TAN! STAND AT... EASE! PARADE DISMISSED! FIIIIIIGHT!
 
#16
Got no objections to Brian Haw, his camp was established before the regulations were changed banning demonstrations unless approved by the police

But if you stand at the Cenotaph reading the names of the war dead you get a criminal record. If you protest legitimately there you risk arrest, but if you are there to protest against the people who give their lives protecting your freedom to protest, you can do it with little chance of arrest or criminal record.

The law, it seems, is being interpreted depending on who is doing the protesting!
 
#17
Joe_Private said:
spike7451 said:
I remember when my brother was based at Faslane,one night a group of pished up sailors or booties (cant remember which) on returning from a night in Helensburgh,decided to go home thru the Faslane CND Peace camp.Apparently the woke everyone there up as they were so,er noisy.....
That was quite a while ago. Comaccio Coy I think, which dates it a bit. The matelots just used to go in for a wet and a "smoke". :wink:
Jeez yea,He's been out of the Navy for a good 10-15 years.
 
#18
... or the policing.
 
#19
I go to Faslane on a fairly regular basis - the peace camp is still there, with the tacit support of Helensburgh council (so I am informed). Has it really been there that long? Various MPs and MEPs have been at protests at the base (no doubt showing their 'Green' and 'Social Conscience' credentials). Whilst this all looks good in the media and for their image, what none of them seem to realize is 6500 locals are employed at the base, notwithstanding the indirect employment (Hotels, Taxi Firms, Restaurants etc.) that would all suffer if the base were to close - all this in an area where the biggest local employer otherwise is the ASDA in Dumbarton.

For years there was campaigning against the Yanks at Holy Loch. The Yanks obligingly closed the base and the whole area died - Dunoon still hasn't recovered economically. Still, why should the outside politicians care - they've got their headlines and there is always another eye-catching cause just around the corner to embrace.
 
#20
Easy solution to avoid a repeat of this travesty.

Parade with fixed bayonets and play chicken with the gob shites! :twisted:
 

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