Okay, I've thrown myself to the masses of arrse in the Naafi and i'll await some interesting responses on the matter but the wife and I have decided on a trial separation. It's a been a long time coming and I guess it's come to a head which is good but where to go now? I've got a little boy that I love so much and I guess I don't know whether or not this is long term short term or over for good. I've never been in this situation before and I haven't got a clue. I know I'm desperately unhappy and so it she and after 12 years it seems it might have run it's course.