TRF Trade Flash?

#1
Since all 5 million (or so) of us in the RLC are now supposed to have ditched the beloved trade badges (Tk Tptr, Pnr etc) and all just wear the tastefullly designed TRF it has become impossible to tell a fat splasher from a stamp licker. Whilst we in the Corps may know one trade from another and therefore what to expect from any given individual, the great un-informed (Teeth arms) will expect a stacker to know a trogs business and vice versa, irrespective of trade. My point is that the AGC (all 72 of them) have a total of 7 different TRF's (a real figure at last) to reflect their different trades whilst we have just one. Have DRLC missed a trick and pi55ed all the trades off unnecessarily?
 
#2
Good point Chunky. I happened to catch, whilst idling away some time in the mess, the Allied Forces part in the Sustainer that descrided how the Royal Australian Army Ordanance Corps had OK'd a bunch of badges for those who had passed their relevant trade training thus marking them out from the rest.

Maybe we should adopt something similar, if not to inform the great uninformed of our soldiers sepcific trades just to instill some pride in our blokes for what they do!

Note to the powers that be:
If you do adopt this idea, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't just place letters accross the existing TRF...it looks a bit, well, gay (no offence meant to the AGC!). :wink:
 
#3
happy_as_a_hat said:
Good point Chunky. I happened to catch, whilst idling away some time in the mess, the Allied Forces part in the Sustainer that descrided how the Royal Australian Army Ordanance Corps had OK'd a bunch of badges for those who had passed their relevant trade training thus marking them out from the rest.

Maybe we should adopt something similar, if not to inform the great uninformed of our soldiers sepcific trades just to instill some pride in our blokes for what they do!
Note to the powers that be:
If you do adopt this idea, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't just place letters accross the existing TRF...it looks a bit, well, gay (no offence meant to the AGC!). :wink:
Excellent idea!! It does instill pride and makes the guys want to better themselves to get "that trade badge". My neighbour (Infantry type bokey) actually asked me when we first met if I was a chef cos I wear the same TRF... cnut!
 
#4
happy_as_a_hat said:
Good point Chunky. I happened to catch, whilst idling away some time in the mess, the Allied Forces part in the Sustainer that descrided how the Royal Australian Army Ordanance Corps had OK'd a bunch of badges for those who had passed their relevant trade training thus marking them out from the rest.

Maybe we should adopt something similar, if not to inform the great uninformed of our soldiers sepcific trades just to instill some pride in our blokes for what they do!
Note to the powers that be:
If you do adopt this idea, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't just place letters accross the existing TRF...it looks a bit, well, gay (no offence meant to the AGC!). :wink:



PLEASE!
 
#5
Marky - heard you make a great breakfast and dig a mean latrine - are you you an MTI?

Kidding - i know you make a great Egg Butty and are one of 'Gods Children' Wear the Flags Mate!!!!
 
#6
I beleive the only trade that wears a TRF and Trade Badge is RLC Ammunition Technician. Given their history and capability, they've earned it!
 
#7
So did the dvr rad ops and the tk tptrs.

You try doing the job without the training!

And cooking, well, I can make a bacon butty! as well!!
 
#9
Imintherapy said:
Marky - heard you make a great breakfast and dig a mean latrine - are you you an MTI?

Kidding - i know you make a great Egg Butty and are one of 'Gods Children' Wear the Flags Mate!!!!
I do I do.... :lol:
 
#11
Ford, you have clearly been working out since I last saw you.

And I thought you struggled to be a master of your own admin!!!
 

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#12
Just to follow up on this one, I'm not impressed with TRF. To rehash old arguments, we have cap badges, stable belts and rank slides (for officers) for demonstrating that we are RLC in barracks. TRF should be mounted on helmet/maybe even on webbing on ops/ex.

With regards trade/regimental flashes, I felt that the power-that-be made a hideous mistake in doing away with these for RLC personnel. Individual regiments/trades are a group that an individual can identify with in such a large corps - it doesn't stop him feeling pride in his corps if his chain-of-command deal with corps issues effectively, it just enables him to feel pride in his own regimental role/techinical skill.
 
#13
untallguy said:
Just to follow up on this one, I'm not impressed with TRF. To rehash old arguments, we have cap badges, stable belts and rank slides (for officers) for demonstrating that we are RLC in barracks. TRF should be mounted on helmet/maybe even on webbing on ops/ex.

With regards trade/regimental flashes, I felt that the power-that-be made a hideous mistake in doing away with these for RLC personnel. Individual regiments/trades are a group that an individual can identify with in such a large corps - it doesn't stop him feeling pride in his corps if his chain-of-command deal with corps issues effectively, it just enables him to feel pride in his own regimental role/techinical skill.
A friend removed all references to qualifications from his no2 dress prior to attending the drill course at pirbright. A fellow student (W02, Commando from his old inf regt) got 'dicked' for everything while he borrowed a set of cooks whites & told AADW staff he was a chef..........until the last day:)

The W02 turned up with a DPM sheath for his pace-stick & took ages to realise that he'd made work for himself; they held similar quals but one had the sense to keep quiet:)
 
#14
To quote from that fabulous movie Blazing Saddles:
"Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!"

I personally think we are starting to look stupid now, what with Union flag,TRF,stable belt etc on DPM kit.
If we end up with trade badges we'll soon resemble the boy scouts!
 

untallguy

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#15
I hesitate to re-open an ageing thread but now we've had even more time to look at TRFs on ops and whinge about them/think they're great, has the debate moved on?

I personally oppose them - especially when worn in camp (ref capbadges, stable belts [terrible on C95], rank slides etc) - if it is to be worn, it should be on the helmet for ops/exs only. I feel that it fails in two areas:

1. Removing visibility between trades/units - especially for non-RLC types looking in.
2. Limiting Regimental espirit-de-corps whilst failing to enhance Corps spirit.

There's my twopenn'orth. Thoughts?
 
#16
I think that we have enough gash badges to sew onto our kit as it is and do not require another one, i am fortunate enough to not have to wear the TRF at the minute, as and when i do have to i dont want to be putting it on my helmet.
 
#17
I agree, there is no requirement for us to wear the TRF or UJ in Barracks as our cap badge and stable belt id us. There was talk from some clothing IPT gadgy on Herrick that the next set of kit coming out will have velcro badges on the sleeve to facilitate all the badges we wear on ops.

I dont want a trade TRF either, dont want you lot taking the pish out of my post horn!! :D
 
#18
Nah dove and portculass would look quite good though having the horn might get you in bother these non-PC days. Imagine finishing your B1 and should come and have a lick of my horn? :p
 
#19
Can anyone give me a good reason for wearing a TRF? When do a bunch of RLC bods need to be instantly recognised as RLC? A parachute DZ flash is understandable, the confusion of a nightdrop with blokes being towed by slight inflated parachutes all over the DZ because the CO of the Bn Gp has decided to ignore the 13 knots ground airspeed warning, is a sight to behold and recognition is required! But we RLC, do we really need the same?

....and if it is a 'tactical' recognition flash, why don't we just wear it on a combat jacket (or helmet as mentioned above)? Why is it on std '95 shirts (don't start about it being an outer layer, no-one wears them operationally as an outer layer)?

The moveable patch option is even worse! Who wants to look like the AAC / RAF? If badges are worth wearing (commando daggers, earnt para wings, at / ato badges etc), bl**dy well spend a bit of time sowing them on properly!

As an aside, I'm not keen on RLC stable belts with C95 as it just doesn't 'blend', I also feel I can be easily identified by and conversely display my pride in the Corps with my RLC rank slide and capbadge. If we are serious about looking like soldiers, bright splashes of red and yellow don't go with DPM. How many people wear Corps stable belts when in Iraq and Afghanistan? I would suggest that most find a 58 pattern belt from somewhere...

:rantover:
 
#20
Sorry Guys but I really feel you've missed the point. We need to feel identity. For most that means the Regiment or the trade. For those serving 'outside' it means the Corps. TRF, yes it should be used on Ops but why not in Bks and why not stable belts also? Do other capbadges (Yorks, DDLI, Paras, Lancs) all moan about not wearing flashes and stable belts in Bks or are they fiercely proud?

Trade badges. Not half! We should absolutely bring in trade badges for all. Snipers wear them, Signallers wear them. Fly the flag, be proud of the Corps. I know there are plenty of Tk Tptrs out there who still wear their badge on their No2s and Jumpers, as they've not been told to remove them. How would you feel when wooden top infantry grubby type comes up to you asking for his post or food in your nice TSC? You wouldn't ask him to show his best guards drill if hes was inthe LI?
'Well you're all Loggies aren't you?'. Son, that dog, won't hunt.

And by the way, TRF on Helmets!? Do turn it in, it's just absurd. :x The Army has gone for all these stable belts and flashes across the board, do you think DRLC can change it? Anyway what's wrong with the RASC flash? History? How many have heard some pompous Guards type say the RLC have habits not traditions? Do the SNCOs and Officers who have served with 7 Regt instantly remove their eagles when they leave or do they wear them with pride?

Come on guys, I know lots of people think too many badges make us look like boy scouts (so do I) but we could lways limit it to one trade and one qual badge. If you offereed a soldier a Trade bage or a course bagde (like SAA or Combat medic) chances are he'd take the trade bagde, why? Because trades that want bagdes are generally small trades and are proud to be in the trade as they belong!
 
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