Travers Murder - Tragic Mistake Say Sinn Fein

#1
"There were two gunman, one standing over Dad, shooting Dad, and the other one shot my sister in the back and attempted to murder my mother, held the gun up to my mother, my mother's head, but the bullets jammed in the gun."
She told the BBC: "Rather than Mary McArdle and Sinn Fein saying my sister's death was a mistake, what they should be saying is Mary Travers' death and murder is an embarrassment now to us and has come back to haunt us."

Read more: Anger over Sinn Fein aide McArdle's murder regrets - Technology & Gadgets, Life & Style - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk


A mistake is not how I would describe cold blooded murder.
 
#2
I've been following this on RTE where I've heard Ann Travers speak about the death her sister. Tom and Mary Travers Th were shot outside the Catholic church they worshipped at. Tom survived the attack but Mary was killed at the scene. It should be noted that Tom Travers was a junior magistrate and therefore considered (apparently) by the IRA to be a 'legitimate' target although he dealt with relatively minor offences. Sinn Fein has previously said that the murder was 'regrettable but understandable' given the context of the situation at the time. Mary McArdle was convicted of the murder as she was caught red-handed concealing the weapons used in the murder.

It should be noted that Mary McArdle has never been elected by anyone (her boss has, which although distasteful to many, is a product of the Good Friday Agreement). She (McArdle) has been appointed to the government of NI as an adviser to a department that is responsible for all cultural matters in the six counties. She is, to the best of my knowledge, the only convicted murderer in the UK or Ireland in the pay of the state.

As an Irishman (albeit in the British Army) this decision makes my blood boil. A fair number of my countrymen feel exactly the same including many of those who consider themselves to be of the nationalist persuasion. I have also heard some republicans denounce the apointment as a clear mistake.

To conclude, Ann Travers and her mother, have more courage in their toenail clippings than Mary McArdle possesses in the entirity of her being. To appoint McArdle to a public role is a sickening and insulting decision on Sinn Fein's part. It is craven of them to defend it in the manner that they have and dishonours the memory of a 22 year old woman murdered (on purpose - not an accident!). It makes me feel physically sick.

Apologies for the rant and, by the way, I don't feel better.
 

skid2

LE
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#3
It's unusual that the Shinners screw up this badly when it comes to PR. Any complaining or dissent is usually deflected by the claim that the dissenter is an enemy of the peace process. Which is a line they have used with some success in the past it just failed miserably this time. Spectacularly when a Shinner maintained that there was a war on, it was a time of conflict........So you send two gunmen to murder a schoolteacher and her father as they're leaving church and this carries on the war aims how?.
Claims that it was a mistake have also fallen on deaf ears. It stretches the description of mistake to include the deliberate targeting of a girl because of who her father was. (She was shot again as she lay on the ground) Maybe they meant that it was a mistake to execute her in front of witnesses. It's not often you get to see Sinn Fein The Party of Peace rattled, but the dignity of Anne Travers and her unwillingness to accept the Shinners rewritng of history would be a treat, if it wasn't so miserably squalid.
If young McArdle is so consumed with remorse over her mistake, why doesn't she tell the authorities who did the shooting?. After all, the armed struggle is over, under the GFA whoever did it will get wheeled in and wheeled back out again and they too can put it behind them and keep moving forward in support of the peace process.
 

Alsacien

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#4
I've been following this on RTE where I've heard Ann Travers speak about the death her sister. Tom and Mary Travers Th were shot outside the Catholic church they worshipped at. Tom survived the attack but Mary was killed at the scene. It should be noted that Tom Travers was a junior magistrate and therefore considered (apparently) by the IRA to be a 'legitimate' target although he dealt with relatively minor offences. Sinn Fein has previously said that the murder was 'regrettable but understandable' given the context of the situation at the time. Mary McArdle was convicted of the murder as she was caught red-handed concealing the weapons used in the murder.

It should be noted that Mary McArdle has never been elected by anyone (her boss has, which although distasteful to many, is a product of the Good Friday Agreement). She (McArdle) has been appointed to the government of NI as an adviser to a department that is responsible for all cultural matters in the six counties. She is, to the best of my knowledge, the only convicted murderer in the UK or Ireland in the pay of the state.

As an Irishman (albeit in the British Army) this decision makes my blood boil. A fair number of my countrymen feel exactly the same including many of those who consider themselves to be of the nationalist persuasion. I have also heard some republicans denounce the apointment as a clear mistake.

To conclude, Ann Travers and her mother, have more courage in their toenail clippings than Mary McArdle possesses in the entirity of her being. To appoint McArdle to a public role is a sickening and insulting decision on Sinn Fein's part. It is craven of them to defend it in the manner that they have and dishonours the memory of a 22 year old woman murdered (on purpose - not an accident!). It makes me feel physically sick.

Apologies for the rant and, by the way, I don't feel better.
No need for apologies, you are saying what any decent person familiar with the issue thinks.
 
#5
I've been following this on RTE where I've heard Ann Travers speak about the death her sister. Tom and Mary Travers Th were shot outside the Catholic church they worshipped at. Tom survived the attack but Mary was killed at the scene. It should be noted that Tom Travers was a junior magistrate and therefore considered (apparently) by the IRA to be a 'legitimate' target although he dealt with relatively minor offences. Sinn Fein has previously said that the murder was 'regrettable but understandable' given the context of the situation at the time. Mary McArdle was convicted of the murder as she was caught red-handed concealing the weapons used in the murder.

It should be noted that Mary McArdle has never been elected by anyone (her boss has, which although distasteful to many, is a product of the Good Friday Agreement). She (McArdle) has been appointed to the government of NI as an adviser to a department that is responsible for all cultural matters in the six counties. She is, to the best of my knowledge, the only convicted murderer in the UK or Ireland in the pay of the state.

As an Irishman (albeit in the British Army) this decision makes my blood boil. A fair number of my countrymen feel exactly the same including many of those who consider themselves to be of the nationalist persuasion. I have also heard some republicans denounce the apointment as a clear mistake.

To conclude, Ann Travers and her mother, have more courage in their toenail clippings than Mary McArdle possesses in the entirity of her being. To appoint McArdle to a public role is a sickening and insulting decision on Sinn Fein's part. It is craven of them to defend it in the manner that they have and dishonours the memory of a 22 year old woman murdered (on purpose - not an accident!). It makes me feel physically sick.

Apologies for the rant and, by the way, I don't feel better.


I hope this comes back and bites Sinn Fein on the arse, although it will be little consolation to the Travers family.
 
#6
To think people who once voted for the SDLP(although a party against my view on the Union, but in my opinion a credible political party) now vote for a party who not only seek taxpayers to employ, their military wings membership at government level, but murdered more Catholics than any other denomination during the troubles, a section of the community in Northern Ireland they claimed to defend.

How anybody with any moral conviction can vote for that party is beyond me. The woman in question is a dirty scumbag bitch and along with her other comrade Marian Price, should have been put on a forced hungerstrike until death.

But then I'm slightly biased.
 

LancePrivateJones

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#7
I hope this comes back and bites Sinn Fein on the arse, although it will be little consolation to the Travers family.
Sinn Fein will just bullshit their way out of it as usual.

Do you think they Really give a ****?

If they did they wouldn't have appointed this murdering piece of shit in the first place.

Just in case anybody missed it, they appointed her knowing full well what the reaction would be.

Edited to add : And she accepted the position knowing full well what the reaction would be. Mistake my arse.
 
#8
one of sf's apologists blamed the Brits. on ie politics.
seems the shooter was a Brit agent killed the daughter on purpose to make the IRA look bad.
with that sort of ability to twist the truth you've no hope:(
 
#9
Sinn Fein will just bullshit their way out of it as usual.

Do you think they Really give a ****?

If they did they wouldn't have appointed this murdering piece of shit in the first place.

Just in case anybody missed it, they appointed her knowing full well what the reaction would be.


That`s true Geroid agus Martain et al couldnt give a flying fcuk. It was jobs for the boys (or in this case girls), just as a recognition for their part in the struggle. Next thing you`ll know the Loughgall 8 will be ressurected and stood in the local elections.
 
#10
That`s true Geroid agus Martain et al couldnt give a flying fcuk. It was jobs for the boys (or in this case girls), just as a recognition for their part in the struggle. Next thing you`ll know the Loughgall 8 will be ressurected and stood in the local elections.
Just be patient.......

As Brighton Hippy has mentioned, Shit Fein are already lying their mouths out and blaming us nasty Brits.

What a ******* surprise.
 
#11
I've been following this on RTE where I've heard Ann Travers speak about the death her sister. Tom and Mary Travers Th were shot outside the Catholic church they worshipped at. Tom survived the attack but Mary was killed at the scene. It should be noted that Tom Travers was a junior magistrate and therefore considered (apparently) by the IRA to be a 'legitimate' target although he dealt with relatively minor offences. Sinn Fein has previously said that the murder was 'regrettable but understandable' given the context of the situation at the time. Mary McArdle was convicted of the murder as she was caught red-handed concealing the weapons used in the murder.

It should be noted that Mary McArdle has never been elected by anyone (her boss has, which although distasteful to many, is a product of the Good Friday Agreement). She (McArdle) has been appointed to the government of NI as an adviser to a department that is responsible for all cultural matters in the six counties. She is, to the best of my knowledge, the only convicted murderer in the UK or Ireland in the pay of the state.

As an Irishman (albeit in the British Army) this decision makes my blood boil. A fair number of my countrymen feel exactly the same including many of those who consider themselves to be of the nationalist persuasion. I have also heard some republicans denounce the appointment as a clear mistake.

To conclude, Ann Travers and her mother, have more courage in their toenail clippings than Mary McArdle possesses in the entirity of her being. To appoint McArdle to a public role is a sickening and insulting decision on Sinn Fein's part. It is craven of them to defend it in the manner that they have and dishonours the memory of a 22 year old woman murdered (on purpose - not an accident!). It makes me feel physically sick.

Apologies for the rant and, by the way, I don't feel better.


No need to apologise, it is what any decent person thinks.
Sinn Fein have become so used, to no one really holding them to account for their past actions, that I think they never even thought about the appointment. Unfortunately for them, they never took into account Ann Travers, feelings, and more importantly her determination to hold them to account for it, and speak out publicly, about it.
 
#12
although somebody pointed out they lost and lost badly.
so giving jobs to the boys means there not running off to join I can't believe its the IRA.

sucks but Irish armed Republicanism isn't something you can defeat with logic or bullets.
with enough bullets you could bury it for a generation but it would come back twice as nasty:(
even with a united Ireland wouldn't solve the problem as it wouldn't be the Celtic Irish speaking socialist paradise of myth:(
 
#13
From the description it sounds more like the ira were trying to really scare those that would 'aid the enemy'. They deliberatly killed the targets family, or atempted to.

This piece of sh1t should be forced out of the government over there, and told to bubble the scum who turned their weapons on their own people. People whom they were supposed to be defending from their 'enemies'...

Alas, chances are she's said her Hail Marys and got her 'forgiveness'.

Even now they are still targeting Catholics... the PSNI bobbie killed not too long ago was Catholic. To scare oher Catholics from joining, so they can complain there are no Catholics in the PSNI perhaps? Jus like the 70/80s wher ethey burnt Catholic RUC men out of their homes.
 

skid2

LE
Book Reviewer
#15
Travers murder upgraded from mistake to wrong by Deputy First Minister (Bound to be a linky along eventually)
If this keeps up young McArdle wil have retired on health grounds by this time next week.
 
#16
To think people who once voted for the SDLP(although a party against my view on the Union, but in my opinion a credible political party) now vote for a party who not only seek taxpayers to employ, their military wings membership at government level, but murdered more Catholics than any other denomination during the troubles, a section of the community in Northern Ireland they claimed to defend.


But then I'm slightly biased.


How do you know that pervious SDLP voters now vote Sinn Fein ?
 
#17
Travers murder upgraded from mistake to wrong by Deputy First Minister (Bound to be a linky along eventually)
If this keeps up young McArdle wil have retired on health grounds by this time next week.
McGuinness: Teacher murder wrong - Northern Ireland, Local & National - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk

But marty says he wont demand mcardle to resign, because even scum can do good work and make a better tomorrow for everybody. And he should know.

sin fain probaby don't know what to do at the moment. They can't talk to the sister, she wont meet them, and they can't 'persuade' her through other means eitehr it would seem. Can't even send some of he local 'ladies' around for a cup of tea to smooth tings over or put some boyos on the street to look menacing when she gets in to the car.
 
#18
It's very simple. Sinn Fein admit they made a mistake, apologise to Ann Travers for the distress and employ McArdle in a job that isn't funded by the public purse. Let's face it, they are never going to say 'sorry' for the murder but will continue to use couched language like 'it was wrong' and 'a mistake'. If McArdle wants to be appointed to a public position, let her stand for election. Although, the fact still remains though that she is a convicted murderer so I'm not even sure that she'd be allowed to stand. If that is the case, then why / how could any right minded politician (for that is what we are told Caral Ni Chuilin no is,) contemplate an appointment such as this.
 
#19
The only position paid for by the public purse that a murderer should be allowed to stand in is that position just above the trap door but beneath the noose. No one has the 'right' to unreasonably deny someone their life, just because they don't like them or what they do, that is what the terrorists don't grasp. Their very existance soils the cause they killed for.

Gallows Trap Door from Stairs | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

There are a number here from Caswell County nick (USA I imagine), I like the idea of the murderer walking under the trap and then up the stairs... we could put a niffty sign like 'mind your head' or 'doors may open at any time' in view.
 
#20
How do you know that pervious SDLP voters now vote Sinn Fein ?
Well they're certainly not getting their votes from the Unionist electorate. Were are they getting them from? They can't revive dead bodies anymore!
 
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