Transport/shipping of antique muzzle loaders in Europe

Discussion in 'Shooting, Hunting and Fishing' started by Tartan_Terrier, Jul 26, 2011.

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  1. Has anyone here any experience with either driving through Europe with original muzzle loaders, or having them shipped from one EU country to another?

    What's the score on the legal aspect? Are import/export licenses required anywhere? I can't see any issues at my end as pre-1870 muzzle loaders are exempt from control, but I don't know what the deal is in the rest of Europe, or indeed what kind of reception customs officers are likely to give someone taking these across borders.....

    Any ideas guys?

    Cheers
    T_T
     
  2. Alsacien

    Alsacien LE Moderator

    No problem unless you post them, some call it an antique (which then costs a load to insure), some call it a firearm. I have done UK/BE/FR/DE/CH with the Snider which has no paperwork (it is stamped 1861).
    Print out the relevent countries rules and have it with you, that sorts most things as the average plod./customs guy is clueless.
     
  3. I have the same problem with swords/knives. TNT are very good, but wont ship to the states. ALL OTHER COURIERS WILL NOT CARRY WEAPONS... so a firearm has no chance. ANTIQUES ARE NOT INSURABLE... if you travel with it bring all your licences and any phone numbers of the shoot that is organised the other end, plus paperwork for them to inspect. cover it over properly when travelling, obviously.

    If any one has any info would be great to hear of couriers I have missed.
     
  4. Alsacien

    Alsacien LE Moderator

    Antiques are insureable, at least in Germany..
     
  5. The reason I ask is that I'm looking to buy, and since there isn't much choice here in Denmark, I presume I'm going to end up having to buy elsewhere. I've been browsing a few UK dealers websites, as well as Egun.de, and would welcome any recommendations as to where to buy (I fancy an Enfield to start with).

    Cheers
    T_T
     
  6. not in Britain. However, the problem is not as I had anticipated. TT wants to buy.. therefore its up to the seller to ship insured, its not TTs problem, but the dealer he buys off. That dealer will (probably) have SEPARATE insurance that underwrites the carriage, nothing to do with couriers insurance.Denmark requires that the licence holder ships his copy of the paperwork with the goods, very very important, even with blunt swords !!! they have a licence to bear blunt swords from the cheif of police over there. The seller in the UK will not be liable for a seizure by Danish customs, this is not a "loss", but an avoidable incident that occured because you did not follow protocol.. Be careful.I would contact Customs before the purchase, Denmark is not Germany , its very different with edged weapons, so probably firearms as well.
     
  7. Yes, the law in Denmark is somewhat strange. I need an import license and a license to hold edged weapons before importing a bayonet, but for example an Enfield rifle to fit the bayonet onto is free of restriction, and can quite happily be imported, held, and used on the range with no license at all (providing the club has powder and ball for you to use).
     
  8. sounds a bit mad. Authority.Do as It says, but dont trust It. Ask the guy you buy off what the score is re him and insurance. Ive got a 3 band enfield.. original 1853.Pave the way with paper before you purchase. good luck.
     
  9. Over the years I have imported into NL from FR/CH/UK/BE/IT/DE/DK/ES/US/SE without the slightest problem. In some cases I have had to provide a letter from the police stating that firearm XYZ is free to purchase and own but that is it ("EU Anlage 19" or "EU Anlage 21" often refered to on Egun). There is also no restrictions on the bayonets to go with the old girls. TNT delivers to my door without any problem. I try to avoid the UK now due to the expense of shipping by specialised courriers.

    Most of my stuff comes from the US, what I look for is much cheaper than in Europe even with postal costs and taxes included.