Transferring to the Australian Army

#1
It would seem that I am coming across an increasing number of officers who are, upping stumps and off to Australia for Tea and cakes.
They are mostly Logistics Officers (like myself), & mainly Captains. Wondered if I was missing out on something.

I am interested in investigating this option, however anyone know of the pros and cons of Transferring?
Whats the TOS like? Pay, quartering etc. Can you transfer pensionable service?

Whats it like living in australia? I may have watched "a place down under" a few times but whats the lifestyle really like?
I've not come across any Australian Army officers in here yet.

Any sensible info would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

KoR

(No Aussie baiting please chaps)

(I know it has a G4 offr bias, But I didn't want to put this in the RLC forum as I felt I might get a better response here.)
 
#2
Suggest you contact the Aussie High Commission and speak to their MA. They are pretty well versed in the ways and means of transferring, and will be able to give you the correct picture - re vacancies. Just don't burn your bridges in the UK before you arrive in Aus, know a chap who was almost packed and good to go, but failed his medical.

You could also try the Kiwis - they're not a bad bunch either, and you could fit in equally well there.
 
#3
What, with everything going so well in the British Army? Why would you want to give that up, you know the ace terms and conditions and the prospect of working with people like Vanya Slivovitz? Or are you naturally apprehensive about the prospect of the impending pointless Operation CERTAIN DEATH in Buttfu*kistan?
 
#4
Scran, there's nothing wrong with The British Army. Its just that I don't want to eat Cheerios for breakfast. I'm guessing its Cheerios that Vanya collected the coupons from to get herself on the BL. Thats or shes been sucking something else down her throat. Either way, I'm far more fussy about what I put in my mouth. Or anywhere else to that end. ;-)


I know the Australian MA is the proper way forward. Just wondered if I could get any instant relief here!!
I did hear that the Aussies had a recruiting team arrive in the UK. Apparently they used to take about 10 pax a year, but are now accepting a few more.
 
#9
pentwyn said:
ScranSpanner said:
What, with everything going so well in the British Army? Why would you want to give that up, you know the ace terms and conditions and the prospect of working with people like Vanya Slivovitz? Or are you naturally apprehensive about the prospect of the impending pointless Operation CERTAIN DEATH in Buttfu*kistan?
I AM NOT WANTED ON THIS BOARD, AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF ANYONE SEEING ME POST DRIVE IN FUTURE CONTACT EITHER DOGMONKEY OR DARTH POST HASTE, IN ORDER THAT MY RANTING AND POINTLESSNESS IS DELETED STRAIGHT AWAY.

THANK YOU.
Any chance of you moving to Oz? So you can make like the Chamberlain baby and get eaten by Dingos? :twisted:

Now bugger off and stop trying to ruin half decent threads.
 
#10
I did it the other way; Aussie Army to Brit Army. Now retired back in Aussie land. Although I'm out of the current loop in the Aussie Army I can make a number of observations. If you want more detail PM me.

To start with you need to ask yourself why you might want to switch Armies (Career, promotion, pay, lifestyle, as a step to Civvie, etc).

Career. Be aware you would be changing from a large Army (35 Inf Bns) to a small Army (5 Inf Bns) career opportunities are there but not on the scale of the UK. You could argue that the competition is even harder. Although the Aus Army is starting to see more operational service now it is more of support ops rather than direct fighting ops. They just don't have the numbers. The Aus Govt has just announced an expansion of the Army by a couple of thousand but this will make little difference. It is a low intensity ops Army.

Promotion. Much the same as UK.

Pay. Be careful here as pay is directly related to standard of living and cost of living. I strongly suggest a lot of research on cost of living comparisons. A trip to Australia House in the Strand, London is well worth it. There is a locally produced mag for people thinking of emigrating and it lists monthly cost of living comparators (bread, beer, houses, cars, train travel, etc). Also, even if yuo do shift over check out the impact of transfering your UK Army pension and take into account the exchange rates.

Lifestyle. There are lots of trade-offs here. Are you married? Kids? What do they want. This is a great country with incredible oportunity however it is also a long way from Mrs KnightsofRowallan's family and friends. Equally two-thirds of the Aussie Army are based in the Northern half of Australia, Brisbane, Townsville and Darwin. The last two are hot, damn hot, and remote from the rest of Aus. So just having access to hot sunny beaches may not be enough.

Step to civvie life. Do three years service retire with citizenship? Why not?


Not trying to talk you out of it but there are many things to consider not the least the impact on your family. If you are a singleton it makes it dramatically less complicated.

Good luck

Birdie
 
#11
KnightsofRowallan

I am in the process of transfering to the Australian Army, and all going well will be starting with them Jul 06.

The process is quite simple but involves a fair amount of paperwork. It all started, for me with an e mail to the desk Sgt for Lateral Recruitment. The response I recieved, shown below, served as a good indication of the overall process. The package they offer is very comprehensive and makes it worth considering. There are few loggies in the process currently and few who have recently moved if you want anymore info just pm me and I'll do my best to give you all the facts.

Thank you for your interest in joining the Australian Army.

I will give you the brief overview of what happens first. This procedure can take up to 12 months to occur. There is a Labour Agreement with Defence and Immigration to take in CAPT and above for officers and Sergeant and above for Other Ranks. To apply as an Other Rank you will need to contact the following email address: scma.osenlist@defence.gov.au . Do you have an indication when you would be looking to emigrate? The Australian Army would sign you up on a 6 years short service initially with an opportunity to continue to serve on. There is a 3 year ROSO (Return of Service Obligation) financial penalties if you leave in the first 3 years. This is because we will pay for your removal of furniture and effects to Australia as well as your dependents. No cars or pets. The first 18 months you will be on probation. After 90 days in the Army you will be eligible to apply for Australian citizenship.

The process is your Expression of Interest where we will ask for a Resume (CV) where we will make an interim decision. Here no means no.

If successful to this stage we send you an Application Pack for more detailed processing (Medical, Security, Request authority for Information, Information for Welfare telephone interview) This takes a couple of months while we post this to you, you do medicals in situ and gather information and post back to us.

Our processing we do the medical first and once that is completed we do the rest of the processing. If you fail our medical we won't continue and then we would not expose to your authorities that you trying to leave. After medical, we do some concurrent processing Welfare telephone interview, Immigration sponsorship, Request a Service check from your Career Managersthrough the Embassy / High Commission in Canberra. This takes a couple of months for the information to arrive back especially the Service check.

Once we have all the information back we consider your experience and where vacancies exist and make you an Offer of Appointment. This will include basic conditions of service, date of enlistment, postion (job), posted location, pay promotion opportunities etc. We ask that you wait till now to put your discharge in and see it in writing what we are offering. Then there is a six to seven month wait while you wait to discharge. You have to have no residual reserve service.

After you have signed the Offer we send the Immigration sponsorship and you have to apply at the nearest Australian Embassy, the Immigration is processed speedily but you will need to meet their criteria (Medical, Police
checks) Roughly 6-8 weeks. After you have the confirmed Permanent Entry Visa we begin the administration for your enlistment which will occur at the Embasssy / Australian High Commission and fly you to your new unit.

To assess your application further DOCM-A would require more information. It would be appreciated if you could send a resume, which should include:

a. operational experience,

b. posting history, and

c. Military courses and qualifications.

You should also include copies of the following documents:

a. annual reports (two current reports),

b. references, and

c. course reports/qualifications

The information should be sent to Sergeant Robert Garven, DOCM-A, R8-8-027, Russell Offices, CANBERRA ACT 2600 his e-mail address is Robert.Garven@defence.gov.au[/marq][/color]
Cheers
 
#12
Compare the proactive Aus approach above with the Canadian "Cut our noses off to spite our faces, eh?" approach: (from the CF recruiting website)

To be eligible for consideration for the Canadian Forces, you must meet the following minimal conditions:

* be a Canadian citizen;
o Citizens of another country who have landed immigrant (Permanent Resident) status in Canada may also be considered for enrolment when the CF has need of their skill, when the position cannot be filled by a Canadian citizen, and if the national interest would not be prejudiced. However, only under exceptional circumstances will authority be granted to enrol a citizen of another country.

and so on.

Add to that losing a rank for Officers and, no matter what seniority you are given, getting less leave than your peers for 5 years. No wonder, if you are a journeyman soldier, Aus looks most attractive!

If you want to live in Canada though, it's all worth it!


Bottom line - you now (only within last 2 years) have to immigrate before even applying. Even then you still require a shed load of time for all the incredibly slow CF processes and paperwork to be completed (incl no less than 2 CDS level waivers)-probably at least 18 months.
 
#13
I am also in the process of applying and eagerly await the interview stage, if Iam not successful then so be it but at least I would have tried, if I do get offered a position then WAHEEEEEY!

I have spoken with several people who are currently out there and one in particular who made the transition 3 years ago, he certainly has no regrets and finds that the system takes better care of its servicemen and if deployed on an Op tour then you will come home with considerable more money than with the British Army, Can't be a bad thing!

Nothing ventured, nothing gained!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
#14
Thanks to those who have pointed me in the right direction. I now know how to transfer, what the ADF (according to their website) looks like and who and where they are. Chuff me, I thought Catterick and BATUS where in the middle of no-where , then I saw DARWIN. Fcuk me!!!

I now even have a book about emigrating and a Lonely Planet guide so I now know a bit about the country.
So here's my next question. Why are people transferring? Is it really that good? Is it worth taking a 12 grand pay cut and sacking my pension?
I know the cost of living is meant to be cheaper and quality of life better, but is it really.
My main motivation for transferring is not to command a Regt. For me its about quality of life. So the 64 million dollar question. I've heard and read the hype, but is it really true?
Does the ADF help with house purchase, or do I have to continue living in Sh1tty quarters? How long are postings. Will it be more of the same but with better weather? I need the truth, even if I can't handle it.
Cheers
 
#15
Fancinating thread this...

Rest assued Knight of Rowallan that there are a stack load of others waiting for the response to your last question.
Is it as good as they say it is....given that your motivation is quality of life not glittering career?

Good luck.
 
#16
I'm sure I could have just as glittering career in either Army.
I would happily work 20 hour days if it directly contributed to more wonga in pocket, not merely push you into some sort of Manning Counter Measures crazy promotion lottery.
I have a family and, unlike some I'm sure, enjoy going home to them.
Plus with vastly over priced property, and the muslims-dressed-as-suicide-bombers-not-getting-arrested-because-the-police-are-busy-arresting-the-two-guys-handing-out-leaflets-promoting-freedom-of-speech society that the UK has become, the continually sh1tty quarters, overstretch, etc, etc.
There is much more to life than commanding a Sqn, or maybe even a Regt.
 
#17
I'm going to start the process soon. Although I'm going for personal reasons and definately not because I have become disillusioned by the British Army - its purely for a quality of life for me, Mrs Loggie and the logettes.

Being a non- grad though I am staying for another 2 years so I can reach my IPP as its far too valuable to give up the pension from the UK (exchange rates can be a compelling motivator) - seiously KoR you really need to consider the Pros and Cons of the pension issue, depending how far you are from IPP. Index linked £ to A$ for the rest of your natural is not to be sneezed at - especially if you want to retire and have all the goodies you promised yourself.

Good luck - hopefully have a couple of tinnies by the barbie in 2008!!
 
#18
I've just started looking at this as well, though I won't be leaving until 2010 when my pension kicks in. Motivation is purely of the 'life is greener' sort. Quite frankly, I just don't want to settle in the UK (and probably couldn't afford it anyway).

I got some fairly useful responses from the lateral recruiting Sgt (LateralRecruitment.DOCM@defence.gov.au) which I've copied below. However the golden question has still got to be whether or not life is any better in the Aus Army than it is here.

By the way, found a useful cost of living comparator that you might like to take a look at. Can't vouch for it's accuracy, but it could be useful: International Salary Calculator

I would be grateful if you could provide me with some information on:
- the sort of roles that could be available,
Sir, it would depend on your background and any vacancies we had at the moment. I can say that at the moment we are very short of Electrical Engineers and would jump at the chance to check your resume. But saying that if we thought you suited the IT area better then that is where we would stream you to.
- whether I am likely to meet your entry requirements,
Sir as long as you are still fit to serve in the British Army then there is usually no problem with the transfer.
- conditions of service (including pay and length of service)
Sir, this would depend on your application at the time. You would be on a short service commission for the first 6 yrs and then you would just continue to serve until 55 if you wanted to. It would all depend on how long you wanted to serve.
- details concerning emigration / visas / relocation etc
Sir, we pay for all your visas, medicals etc. You are given permanent residency for you and your family and all we ask is that you apply for citizenship after 90 days of being appointed. We also pay for you family to be relocated to Australia, we move all your pers belongings except for the car, pets and andy agricultural equipment like gardening utensils etc. The process from start to go to you being appointed would be about 12 months.
 
#19
ShaftandSpanner said:
By the way, found a useful cost of living comparator that you might like to take a look at. Can't vouch for it's accuracy, but it could be useful: International Salary Calculator

.
I tried the comparison at the link -using my move from UK to Canada as the input. Based on the results, I now want to know now where the shedload of spare cash that I must have lying around is?


I would not draw lessons for UK Canada from the site but might be interesting to see if it works for anyone elsewhere.
 
#20
Cdo, thanks for that link. Gleaming. Just tapped in a move on current salary to New Zealand and like you wonder where all those shoe boxes are. Cheers mate.
 

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