Transferring from R.E to Int Corps - need advice ASAP

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...I have looked into RMP's and for me it's not my fit, although CP is a real option upon leaving. I would love to work in intelligence upon leaving the Army to be honest, either that or teaching CIED with some contracting work.

I appreciate your guidance.
Civilian intelligence work is either Civil/Crown Service, not the easiest thing to get into without either formidable specialist skills or a decent degree - and not tremendously well paid, at that - or the preserve of journalism grads, economists or subject matter experts.

There is a small sector of proper intelligence providers, but they're high-end and generally run by folk with very crunchy backgrounds in other government departments, law enforcement or a tiny number from the military, plus a tinyiersector of technical and other specialist intelligence providers, again with very strong specialist backgrounds. The latter has a good representation of ex-Corps, but mainly those who chose a specific career trajectory and stuck with it.

C-IED is a different animal, as you'll be aware from your current role. Much of the attractive technical expertise in that field is in another cap badge.

CP is deadly but can be lucrative at the blue chip end of the market, which is what RMP supply. Again, requires a great deal of determination and drive to get on that career track in the RMP and stick to it.

Int Corps does provide all manner of interesting opportunities, though and ex-Corps folk do seem to do OK in civilian life, judging by those I know.
 
5 years service as of April this year, when my penciled in termination date is set to take effect. The reason i'm still a sapper, is due to all the Army sport i've been lucky enough to play.

Army Cricket team, Army cross country team, Army skiing team....i've had a good run, but at my age now of 28 it's time to get serious with life a bit more i feel. Please don't jump to conclusions and think just because i am still a private, i am any lesser a man than someone who is not.

Not many privates have A levels may I add, something I'm lucky enough to have still with me. Anyway that's besides the point.

I am at a crossroads, and just really looking for advice from like minded and good natured vets. I'll be honest, one of my main reasons for wanting to stay in the Army is due to the pension at 20 years service.

From 45 with 20 years service EDP payments of £5.5k a year for just waking up, and solid pension of around £15k a year CPI linked at SPA... nothing comes close to that in a civvy job. So the way I see it, and correct me if i'm wrong... sacrifice chasing the big money a bit more £3k+ a month for it to come back to you later in life..

Plus, as i've previously mentioned I can always find ways to supplement my income through HGV driving at weekends if I can get my licence through the army.

I have looked into RMP's and for me it's not my fit, although CP is a real option upon leaving. I would love to work in intelligence upon leaving the Army to be honest, either that or teaching CIED with some contracting work.

I appreciate your guidance.
I knew a couple of serious runners in the RAOC/RLC whose sporting prowess only helped their promotion prospects. Both were into marathons with the odd X country thrown in, one was considered good enough to receive all expense paid invites to some of the prestige international marathon events to support the top runners. When I was leaving He had just been promoted from WO1 to Captain and the other who was a few years younger was just getting his WO2.

Don’t play all the sports, pick one, get your nose down to working and promotions will come if you are diligent and not stupid. The only place Imcan think would promote whilst vanishing to do all those sports is the PT Corps. If you had worked for me I probably would not have recommended your promotion either - the harsh reality being that you are sent somewhere to do a job, if you are not there to do it then someone is covering for you. Also if yo are not there you cannot be assessed for promotion if you are not doing your job. I think you will find you are stuck at private because it is the easiest job they can have you in and afford to lose you to sports. As soon as you are an NCO you have supervisory responsibilities and your absence, as stated, means someone else has to do your job probably doubling their workload.

Not a nag, just pointing out the whys and wherefore to give you some food for thought. Sounds like you have decided to move forward and I wish you luck.
 
That's fair enough, and thank you for the insight. Sadly not all corps and CoC's are the same, and although they've been good to let me get away it's definitely cost me my first stripe.

That being said, 2020 is a new year and I do approach it with motivation and determination. If i don't the transfer which of course I hope i do, i'll be looking to do my divers course for the extra pay and job satisfaction that's iv'e completed something challenging.

Is there a thread on this forum for people who want to talk about the pension? When i joined the army in early 2015, the pension had just been moved on to the new scheme which some say was a lot worse than the previous one. If i'm to commit to the army, i want it on good grounding that it will differ to much from where it currently is now.


I don't think i am alone in terms of trying to forge a decent career in the army, with the pension as what it is in the back of mind moving forward and building a life around it. Does anyone think the EDP payments and the lump sum after 20 years service will remain? Do you think the pension will stay fairly similar overall to what it is now?

Also, my OC was telling me about the old pension scheme and how it's been taken to court as it was basically unfair. Does anyone know about the rebatement that apparently is happening to all those who are under the scheme?
 
5 years service as of April this year, when my penciled in termination date is set to take effect. The reason i'm still a sapper, is due to all the Army sport i've been lucky enough to play.

Army Cricket team, Army cross country team, Army skiing team....i've had a good run, but at my age now of 28 it's time to get serious with life a bit more i feel. Please don't jump to conclusions and think just because i am still a private, i am any lesser a man than someone who is not.

Not many privates have A levels may I add, something I'm lucky enough to have still with me. Anyway that's besides the point.

I am at a crossroads, and just really looking for advice from like minded and good natured vets. I'll be honest, one of my main reasons for wanting to stay in the Army is due to the pension at 20 years service.

From 45 with 20 years service EDP payments of £5.5k a year for just waking up, and solid pension of around £15k a year CPI linked at SPA... nothing comes close to that in a civvy job. So the way I see it, and correct me if i'm wrong... sacrifice chasing the big money a bit more £3k+ a month for it to come back to you later in life..

Plus, as i've previously mentioned I can always find ways to supplement my income through HGV driving at weekends if I can get my licence through the army.

I have looked into RMP's and for me it's not my fit, although CP is a real option upon leaving. I would love to work in intelligence upon leaving the Army to be honest, either that or teaching CIED with some contracting work.

I appreciate your guidance.
A million years ago I had a lot of RE corps football players in my troop. It was a travesty. Other lads in the troop never got a sports afternoon, and the machine spat the football players out when they were no longer match fit, without the qualifications or experience to get promoted.

It should never have been allowed.
 
That's fair enough, and thank you for the insight. Sadly not all corps and CoC's are the same, and although they've been good to let me get away it's definitely cost me my first stripe.

That being said, 2020 is a new year and I do approach it with motivation and determination. If i don't the transfer which of course I hope i do, i'll be looking to do my divers course for the extra pay and job satisfaction that's iv'e completed something challenging.

Is there a thread on this forum for people who want to talk about the pension? When i joined the army in early 2015, the pension had just been moved on to the new scheme which some say was a lot worse than the previous one. If i'm to commit to the army, i want it on good grounding that it will differ to much from where it currently is now.


I don't think i am alone in terms of trying to forge a decent career in the army, with the pension as what it is in the back of mind moving forward and building a life around it. Does anyone think the EDP payments and the lump sum after 20 years service will remain? Do you think the pension will stay fairly similar overall to what it is now?

Also, my OC was telling me about the old pension scheme and how it's been taken to court as it was basically unfair. Does anyone know about the rebatement that apparently is happening to all those who are under the scheme?
You joined in 2015. You're on AFPS15. You'll be on these terms unless a new AFPS is forced upon you ala 15, or you choose to change ala 05.

It's great you have all this enthusiasm but you need to work out what you want to do. Int or diver. Do you want hgv? You might want to sit down with a pen and paper and work out pros, cons, etc. You seem very kid in a sweet shop at the moment.

Also, it's great you've come back from the sports pitch but don't expect anything to be handed to you for doing so. There will be lads in line for diving courses, some may be junior in service time to you. Ditto hgv.

As mentioned. Read up on what careers are open to you. You have four months left I believe, you need some sound reasons to come back in and sound reasons to transfer if that is what you wish to do.
 
A million years ago I had a lot of RE corps football players in my troop. It was a travesty. Other lads in the troop never got a sports afternoon, and the machine spat the football players out when they were no longer match fit, without the qualifications or experience to get promoted.

It should never have been allowed.
I had to sit down and chat with one of my females about that. 12 months in and she'd done no end of sport but little to no 3-2 work.

Tipping point was when she tried to get a guard swapped so she could do weightlifting. Never done it before.

Then she stopped asking the troop and I was getting phone calls from ic female lanyard trophy team (can she train for a 40km march part time for a month and fulltime in there too? No).

I lost my sh*t when the boxing coach told me she was just 'sweeping hangers'*. He was a sly f*cker too, tried to go round me to the sqn oc and ssm (boxing fans).

This when the tp screws were working hard to catch her up on her trade.

Last heard she was itching to sign off. Took her over twice the time to get her cl2.

Having said that a young lad did it in six months. Never saw him. Exercise, course or football.
 
A side note *

For those who have responded with decorum and understanding, thank you.

I am currently 35 Engr Rgt, Wimbish as a High Threat Searcher. Looking to transfer with the thought for a long term horizon, as in transitional opportunities when my service career would be at a end down the line.

The fact that I can get fast tracked to Lcpl on completion of the the CLM/Phase 2 training is of course a lure too, with quick promotion if you're good enough aswell.

But ultimately the job itself is something I feel would fit my personality a lot better, I am serious. Come Monday, I will be withdrawing my termination as long as I get the green light from the RCMO after chatting with him.

No doubt more ridicule is inbound, but how do i get on to the INC forum reference transferring?
Here's a thought. The Army isn't the only Int. Have you considered Int opportunities in other services? Might be worth a gander....
 

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