Transferrable Skills from SPS?

#1
With the news of impending reduncancies looming large it got me thinking about the very real concern of having to find a job outside of the green machine if given the boot. Now, if you're a crusty bar steward like me you will probably remember all the talk and flag waving about various courses at Worthy Down (and other places) giving you the ability to apply for civilian qualifications, accreditation etc. For the most part I can't recall meeting very many people that managed to attain these ephemeral quals. I'm not talking about the guys and girls that went on to do CIMA but the vast majority of other people who make up our branch - the SSAs, the Sys Coords, the Regt Accts, etc.

So my first question is this. Have you, or anyone you know of, managed to use a course or qualification that you gained serving in AGC(SPS) to attain a civilian qualification? If so please provide links to the information as an aide to others who may not be aware of it.

My second question - given the wealth of experience within AGC(SPS), how are you going to sell this to civilian employers? What choice phrases will you/did you put in your CV to describe your experience as a FSA for example?

My hope is that this topic can provide a resource not just for those that may be selected (or volunteer) for redundancy but for anyone who serves, or has served, in our branch looking to improve their chances in the civilian employment market.

Useful links, 'civvy-speak' job descriptions etc most welcome and I will make a sticky if it throws up some genuinely useful stuff.
 
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Biscuits_AB

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#4
ACA is generally for graduates and requires a training contract, so typically you'll need to work for a firm of accountants, who provide the training package. Applications for training contracts are very competitive.

CIMA/ACCA are more geared towards those without a degree, and able to study outside of a professional firm. The problem I've seen for those AGC who qualified with CIMA is they have very little in the way of commercial experience, so less likely to get a job as Finance Director for a business, but won't be professionally fouled when looking for accountancy work within local authorities for example.

AAT opens doors to accountancy qualifications, and something that's worth while in its own right. For anyone who's also doing a finance job within AGC, then studying for AAT provides an additional edge at interview and demonstrates an ability to work at a level a civilian employer will understand.
 
#5
What about ACA quals for accountants? Lots of well paying Forensic Accountancy jobs out here.

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Here's a sample, but there are better:

Forensic & Fraud Jobs - reed.co.uk

AAT fast track scheme...not a lot of dosh, but it is training and once you are qualified (if you aren't already) then off you go:

Job Search Results

(its the 2nd post down...closing date is 31 March)
Thanks Biscuits, that is good information but not exactly what I was fishing for. Accreditation or transferring of courses and skills achieved whilst serving is more along the lines of what I'm looking for. I did hear a rumour at various times in my career that Regt Acct would qualify you as AAT for example. Yet to see any evidence of this however.

Also don't forget the second part of the OP, I'm also looking for how people are putting their SPS qualifications into civvy speak for prospective employers. The ability to fcuk up someone's pay within 2 seconds on JPA might be something to crow about down the bar but not really advisable to put it in quite those terms on your CV.



*Note: I have deleted the odd derogatory post from this topic. There are enough other places on here to slag off the SPS, let's try and keep this particular thread on topic.
 
#6
As a TA member of the SPS I am very interested in this and did chuckle when HQ announced that we could apply for affiliate membership from CIPD when we rebadged ourselves as HR combat admin wallahs. However, nearly anyone can apply for this as I already have this grade of membership.
 
#10
What's the value of the CMI? You just pay some money to prove that you were in the forces IMHO.
You reckon? Doing it with CLM it can get you a level 5 diploma in Leadership and Management. Not sure how valuable that would be when seeking employment. Anyone had any experience of using this on a CV?
 

dizzy.chick

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#13
I got offered the CMI level 5 dip in leadership and managment. I keep being told how good it is and really makes a difference, my boss said it would for most people but it wasn't worth me doing it as I already had a similar qualification. Although if you do the dip then its only an extra 2 years and you can gain chartered managment status and that is worth something (to most employers).
 

oldbaldy

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#14
I did hear a rumour at various times in my career that Regt Acct would qualify you as AAT for example. Yet to see any evidence of this however.
RAPC qualified me as AAT, I 'think' it may have got me interview for my first job but after that it was experience being asked for & I don't think I ever used it again.
 
#15
Soldier_Why,

Presuming you are still serving, what rank are you and if a SNCO, what posts have you held/courses completed as such? That will help me answer your question a little better!
 
#16
Soldier_Why,

Presuming you are still serving, what rank are you and if a SNCO, what posts have you held/courses completed as such? That will help me answer your question a little better!
Well sunray, I'm not sure that I want to answer ALL of your questions on a forum such as this but the information that I hoped would be gleaned from this thread would be that which could assist as many members of our Corps as possible. I'm pretty sure that the courses that I have completed (or were available to me) are the same courses that the vast majority of other people serving within the SPS had at their disposal. Courses such as Sys-Coord, Svc Funds, Regt Acct, Imprest as well as the various CLM courses should surely hold some benefit outside the confines of an Admin Office?

Not forgetting those courses that are no longer available such as UNICOM SA, Docs Supvr, SMAC, EFP, EPC, SMQC, etc.

Are any of these worth the paper they are printed on to civilian employers?
 
#17
Utter bollocks. I am on terminal leave have just completed 2 tours as a man acct and I am now in a commercial role in industry earning signifcantly more than a top level Major I left the army as a WO2. CIMA is a world class qualifcation and recognised and valued by industry. I left school with 2 o'levels and still passed through determination and hard work. If you are going to consider AAT you might as well go the extra step and do CIMA. One thing you should not under estimate no matter what qualifcations you study towards is that your military service is a unique selling point and will make you stand out from your cvilian peers.
 
#18
CIMA is a world class qualifcation and recognised and valued by industry. I left school with 2 o'levels and still passed through determination and hard work. If you are going to consider AAT you might as well go the extra step and do CIMA.
I looked at CIMA when I finished my MBA, but I concluded that in the end I wouldn't be actively using accounting as a skill, so CIMA might be overkill. I'd certainly never have a management accountancy role and therefore wouldn't get much out of it being a professional body, however I'd want to be able to hold my own when working with them or owning some.
 
#19
I have been looking to do this myself recently and for all those who have access to Dii and the DSPS(A) webpage they have recently (Apr 11) publisheda new Instruction that covers all transferable accreditation from the SIPAC course right up to the RAO's Cse.

SIPAC accreditation has secured funding until 2013 and also attracts a transferable IT accreditation.

Accreditation after this cost about £80 for which the SLC can be used.

I like many have always scoffed when the Corps has offered transferrable acreditation but looking at what is on offer these days you'd be a mad man not to take the acreditation on offer.

Unfortunately the accreditation for courses such as Sys Co-ord/SSA/Regt Acct & FSA do not have grandfather rights and only those who have
completed the cse since Apr 11 will have their names sent automatically to the accreditation provider. The individuals then have to apply & send the relevant fee.

There is also one that doesn't appear within the instruction and normally gets briefed to service leavers & all it requires is for you to submit a CV. Thi
s is called City & Guilds Senior Award in Leadership and Management. Here is the link HM Armed Forces
 

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