Tranche 3 - ARRSE to be on Radio 4

#1
I've just been asked to appear on Radio 4 for the PM programme this evening to discuss today's redundancy announcement. I agreed to go along and represent the views of the ARRSE collective so let me know what you think ......

It's pre-recorded so you've got about an hour!
 
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Zarathustra

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#2
That there's a good chance it's going to end up biting the Army/MOD in the arse. I know a lot of blokes who weren't lucky on tranches 1 & 2 who will most likely sign off if they don't get the good news this time around.

Even with the recession the Army of the future isn't very appealing, especially to blokes who've spent the majority of their career having a purpose i.e. Iraq & Afghanistan. Many won't stick around to do barrack guards and bone exercises.
 

B_AND_T

MIA
Book Reviewer
#3
Could you point out that Mrs B&T is a lazy bitch and needs to exercise more. Fat Cow.
 
#4
That there's a good chance it's going to end up biting the Army/MOD in the arse. I know a lot of blokes who weren't lucky on tranches 1 & 2 who will most likely sign off if they don't get the good news this time around.

Even with the recession the Army of the future isn't very appealing, especially to blokes who've spent the majority of their career having a purpose i.e. Iraq & Afghanistan. Many won't stick around to do barrack guards and bone exercises.
Well with the coalitions interest in North Africa there could be a new venue marker for the movement staff at Brize. Unfortunatly less operational troops for new expeditionary ventures, wonder if the tour length will go up or the rotation time down. That is of course once all the amalgamation parades have happened in 2014!
 
#5
Well with the coalitions interest in North Africa there could be a new venue marker for the movement staff at Brize. Unfortunatly less operational troops for new expeditionary ventures, wonder if the tour length will go up or the rotation time down. That is of course once all the amalgamation parades have happened in 2014!
Are you implying the Eton Mess is demonstrating a bit of non joined up writing volunteering UK Armed Forces for another open ended war before the last ones shut down while shooing people out the door?
 
#6
Is there any way you can move the conversation sideways and turn it into a discussion about Forastero reading everyone's private messages and sending abuse using Jarrod's account details?
 
#7
Are you implying the Eton Mess is demonstrating a bit of non joined up writing volunteering UK Armed Forces for another open ended war before the last ones shut down while shooing people out the door?
God forbid. But it seems like every old Politician has a legacy area, could DC be angling for peace envoy for North Africa as Blair has the Middle East, and Brown has Fife!
 
#8
The Army manpower reductions are justified, in policy terms, by the plan to substantially expand the TA. There is no credible plan to achieve this expansion nor any evidence that it is possible. The recent consultation paper on the Reserve Forces was a rehash of old ideas with no original, evidence-based thinking. From what I’ve seen of the response from employer organisations there is no prospect of more active employer support, particularly during this recession.
 
#9
The Army manpower reductions are justified, in policy terms, by the plan to substantially expand the TA. There is no credible plan to achieve this expansion nor any evidence that it is possible. The recent consultation paper on the Reserve Forces was a rehash of old ideas with no original, evidence-based thinking. From what I’ve seen of the response from employer organisations there is no prospect of more active employer support, particularly during this recession.
Agreed, and at the moment even employers who themselves are ex-services have no intention of providing extra support. Commentators on here have said they would actively discriminate against TA Soldiers during any recruiting they're doing because they'll be a financial liability further down the road.
 
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Zarathustra

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#10
The Army manpower reductions are justified, in policy terms, by the plan to substantially expand the TA. There is no credible plan to achieve this expansion nor any evidence that it is possible. The recent consultation paper on the Reserve Forces was a rehash of old ideas with no original, evidence-based thinking. From what I’ve seen of the response from employer organisations there is no prospect of more active employer support, particularly during this recession.
Were they not hoping many who were pushed out would join the TA?
 
#11
That there's a good chance it's going to end up biting the Army/MOD in the arse. I know a lot of blokes who weren't lucky on tranches 1 & 2 who will most likely sign off if they don't get the good news this time around.
Just hearing the queue for JPA is growing rapidly in that respect.
 
#13
They're doing the '2020 implementation the wrong way round - increase the reserve forces and make them a viable part of the Army, fully integratable with the regulars etc BEFORE reducing the regular forces. However, with the Treasury increasingly taking over, they're gone for budgetary influences instead of real-world thinking to action what they're planning
 
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Zarathustra

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#14
Wah shield up... they won't if they can't get a full time job while being a reservist.
There was no wah.

If I get the nod for this round I might consider joining the TA, but not if there's any risk of an impact on any civvy career I might have.

I know many people who would be perfectly happy to never wear uniform again, especially if the stories about the TA is run/look after their blokes are to be believed.
 
#15
Making people leave against their will will mean that the future Bright Buttons will be put off joining as an Armed Forces Career could be cut at the whim of a bean counter, not the individual.

Will lead to an Army that will not be led by individuals of the intellectual horsepower we can currently recruit. Less brane, less flexibility, less effective, requiring the future application of costly technology rather than boots on the ground to solve problems.

Also - if the reason for the cuts really is MONEY, why not bin our independent nuclear deterrent? We aren't a major world player, even if we used to be. Soldiers are being binned to pay for something that really is a vanity project. UK PLC will do NOTHING without the OK of Uncle Sam, so why not cut our cloth accordingly?

Oh, and whoever decided to knock back the over-50s from mobilisation three days before the papers where due out is a ****.
 
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EScotia

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#16
They're doing the '2020 implementation the wrong way round - increase the reserve forces and make them a viable part of the Army, fully integratable with the regulars etc BEFORE reducing the regular forces. However, with the Treasury increasingly taking over, they're gone for budgetary influences instead of real-world thinking to action what they're planning
Probably the best comment I've seen on FR2020 implementation. If they had done it the other way round they may have been able to sell it as armed forces fit for the 2020's but the way they are implementing it instead comes across as an attempt to save money at the expense of an armed forces fit to defend the interests of the UK.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
#17
If it protects the foreign aid budget and keeps our chavs in tabs and beer, cutting the Army during a conflict makes perfect sense. You should also lobby for the return of the SLR - we've only got a handful of soldiers left so it shouldn't be too expensive.
 
#18
As a former TA member from many years ago, if I found myself in the situation now where I was being forced out of the regular army in the hope that I would join the TA, I think I would refuse to do so on principle - in any case, the TA should be for the defence of the nation, not as a substitute for regulars in the PM's bid for a place in history as a poodle of any other state.
 
#19
was hammond smacked off his tits thinking that as a regular soldier of 20 years and then getting binned off that I might join the TA what planet is this man on?
 
#20
Bad CO,

I left in Tranche 1 as a very happy volunteer having achieved all I wanted to and thinking the Regular Army will be a difficult and under-resourced place for the next few years.

Stuck my name in the ring to join the TA as I have a few wanted skills and quals and felt I still have something to offer albeit alongside a civvy job.

It has taken 12 months to get it sorted and it is not over yet. It is not an easy or smooth process despite what the system tells you.

THERE IS NO WAY THE RESERVES ARE READY TO TAKE ON THE JOBS OR RESPONSIBILITIES OF THOSE THAT LEAVE ON REDUNDANCY. NO WAY. MAYBE ONE DAY BUT NOT NOW.

Shout mode off. I thank you.

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