Training over the next year

#1
As this is a rumour service I thought I might as well start stirring, heard this on the grapevine last night:

-Those who are not fit for mobilisation = binned
-Those who are fit, but haven't volunteered for next op tour = unpaid training
-Those who are fit and have volunteered for next tour = paid training

Anyone else heard the same?
 
#3
Well, i've heard it now... it won't happen though.

If they binned the unfit (by that I mean PFT failures) our numbers would drop to about 70% of where we are now. If they also didn't pay those who hadn't volunteered for next tour (assuming this was ongoing and permanent rather than a temporary 6 month hiatus as per previous budget cut) then I reckon we'd be down to 20% in fairly short order, and that would dwindle lower and lower as low attendance impacted on training.

My 2c.
 
#4
StabOfFire said:
As this is a rumour service I thought I might as well start stirring, heard this on the grapevine last night:

-Those who are not fit for mobilisation = binned
-Those who are fit, but haven't volunteered for next op tour = unpaid training
-Those who are fit and have volunteered for next tour = paid training

Anyone else heard the same?
2 and 3 above are the regime we're working under now. Two drill nights paid a month covering COE stuff and two unpaid, no travel, as socials. Latter are no use to me, costs me £20 to get there, I can walk to the pub.

We've already had a major binning exercise and have been recruiting hard with the message - "You WILL be going on H14" my name's down (as long as my ancient body doesn't fall apart in the meantime...)

Had a brief on "Geography and culture of Afghanistan" last week. Felt like things were really picking up.
 
#5
It all depends on your role though doesnt it.

We have to look at the big picture its not all overseas ops you know.


We were told last parade night that non attenders would get a gypsies then after 2 more warnings a visit from the QM and the bailiffs.

We also need to pass 2 pft's a year, things are changing, and for the better.
 
#6
EX_STAB said:
StabOfFire said:
As this is a rumour service I thought I might as well start stirring, heard this on the grapevine last night:

-Those who are not fit for mobilisation = binned
-Those who are fit, but haven't volunteered for next op tour = unpaid training
-Those who are fit and have volunteered for next tour = paid training

Anyone else heard the same?
We've already had a major binning exercise and have been recruiting hard with the message - "You WILL be going on H14" my name's down (as long as my ancient body doesn't fall apart in the meantime...)

Had a brief on "Geography and culture of Afghanistan" last week. Felt like things were really picking up.
Really, being in the same Bn as you.....who said all of this?
Who gave the Afghan brief....
Please answer by pm.
 

The_Duke

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#8
polar69 said:
It all depends on your role though doesnt it.

We have to look at the big picture its not all overseas ops you know.


We were told last parade night that non attenders would get a gypsies then after 2 more warnings a visit from the QM and the bailiffs.

We also need to pass 2 pft's a year, things are changing, and for the better.
Try looking up Op ENTIRETY - there are some very grown up people in the army who believe that it is.
 

The_Duke

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#9
StabOfFire said:
As this is a rumour service I thought I might as well start stirring, heard this on the grapevine last night:

-Those who are not fit for mobilisation = binned
-Those who are fit, but haven't volunteered for next op tour = unpaid training unless they are immediately supporting the training for those who will deploy, or recruit training-Those who are fit and have volunteered for next tour = paid training

Anyone else heard the same?
I've corrected it for you. If your C of C are not applying it like that, they have got it wrong.
 
#10
so what happens if there are no tours for your unit?? does that mean the whole unit will go unpaid?

:)
 

The_Duke

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#11
spad said:
so what happens if there are no tours for your unit?? does that mean the whole unit will go unpaid?

:)
It will depend on what budget your Bde has left after it has supported those preparing to deploy on Op HERRICK 12, 13 or 14. Don't kid yourself that the revocation of the £20m cut means riches for all - it doesn't.

The new budget for Trg year 2010 - 2011 is not likely to allow for a full return to paid training for everyone/everything either.
 
#12
What a load of bollocks! There are plenty of UK Ops roled units that won't deploy as they are UK Ops and therefore required in the UK, I'm included in that, still getting paid, still doing the same amount of training as always.

Best thing to do is await confirmation at the end of the training year as to what your unit will be doing throughout the next.
 

The_Duke

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#13
Gym-Princess said:
What a load of bollocks! There are plenty of UK Ops roled units that won't deploy as they are UK Ops and therefore required in the UK, I'm included in that, still getting paid, still doing the same amount of training as always.

Best thing to do is await confirmation at the end of the training year as to what your unit will be doing throughout the next.
Which in the case of UK Ops Only roled units may well include a roll change (at best) :wink:
 
#14
The_Duke said:
Gym-Princess said:
What a load of bollocks! There are plenty of UK Ops roled units that won't deploy as they are UK Ops and therefore required in the UK, I'm included in that, still getting paid, still doing the same amount of training as always.

Best thing to do is await confirmation at the end of the training year as to what your unit will be doing throughout the next.
Which in the case of UK Ops Only roled units may well include a roll change (at best) :wink:
Haha, yeah right! As it stands, units only allow a certain amount of their strength to deploy at any one time due to this role. Since we got obliterated in the cuts last summer, it's now even harder to get out. I requested my third tour and got told that I can't go out again as I'm required for UK Ops.
 
#15
The days as were will change, more will be expected for less,and as others have correctly alluded the shift will be toward getting bodies though the door, though initial training, away on Ops and out the door. War fighting on the cheap if you will,just pray you dont get wounded.
 
#16
well i think i will wait to the offical line comes out on arrse first (then the coc might catch up)
then i might worry that i wont be getting paid,

i think it will be a very brave bdg cmd who will cut our unit as it only got expanded under FAS and is struggerling to build up the number which our reg counter parts demanded we had in the xmas brief,
which the reg CO told us we needed to do more to get men in, (and yes the budget cuts were pointed out to him with great joy from the taunting crowds)
 
#17
The_Duke said:
Which in the case of UK Ops Only roled units may well include a roll change (at best) :wink:
Yes, Your Grace, we had to change from ham to cheese to save cash...
 

The_Duke

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#18
CaptainPlume said:
The_Duke said:
Which in the case of UK Ops Only roled units may well include a roll change (at best) :wink:
Yes, Your Grace, we had to change from ham to cheese to save cash...
My error :oops:

Of course, what I meant was that the role may well change. The cut from a 3 pastie horror bag to the standard 1 pastie bag has apparently also caused a mass exodus for UK Ops roled units. :wink:
 
#19
The_Duke said:
Of course, what I meant was that the role may well change. The cut from a 3 pastie horror bag to the standard 1 pastie bag has apparently also caused a mass exodus for UK Ops roled units. :wink:
Why do you think I sacked it when my FTRS came to an end?
 
#20
The_Duke said:
polar69 said:
It all depends on your role though doesnt it.

We have to look at the big picture its not all overseas ops you know.


We were told last parade night that non attenders would get a gypsies then after 2 more warnings a visit from the QM and the bailiffs.

We also need to pass 2 pft's a year, things are changing, and for the better.
Try looking up Op ENTIRETY - there are some very grown up people in the army who believe that it is.
Like it or not we are now on a war footing and OP ENTIRETY is a 5 year campaign plan, either jump on board or jump the Fcuk off. The TA can no longer justify individuals who go year after year after year without volunteering for Ops( clearly those whose facilitate training have a argument) its just not sustainable any more, not to mention blatantly unethical.

By the way, apart from the MACA emergency Ops what other Ops are "not overseas" do you refer to?
 

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